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  4. Painted nails, pink hoodie, woman being interviewed about open carry. Probably not a dude.

    In any case, this doesn't really change much for me. Southern states have always been hazardous to my health. Shame the north (or anywhere else, really) isn't much better…

  11. Yes I think we need more guns let me ask you if someone was to come up to you when you are just minding your business and they want your car or what ever you are driving would you like to get shot or protect yourself I think I would love to have a gun its shoot or be shot

  18. i respect and believe the constitution should always provide every promised freedom forever, its that freedom that makes us unique and a beacon in the world that everyone flocks too…but if you deny one liberty, you can end up denying them all until we no longer have any freedoms or choice left. No one else should be allowed to dictate to another how to live, if i wanted that i would move to a communist country…since i respect the need for this one to remain as it is.

    http://adventure-cat.deviantart.com/art/A-joke-from-a-friend-499749451

  19. Why the hell not…. If you see me and say half a dozen other law abiding citizens making a normal bank transaction; do you think some P.O.S. is going to come rob the bank or try to take whats yours…. HELL NO!… The rest of the country needs to catch on before we all just decide to carry with or without there all mighty say.

  20. +Darin Hernandez your right, if a crook seen armed people they would be less likely to start something…there would be a real consequence for trying attempting an armed robbery! If the people in office honored their pledge to serve, protect and defend the constitution, this wouldnt event be an issue!

  23. +Sir Frank Warwick Please explain how you came to such a condemning conclusion, theres lots of very notable and honorable people in our nations history that owned and carried guns.

    Guns arent anymore eviler then a pen, they are both tools and weapons that can preserve life, or take it away. Its all in who wields it, if there where no more guns, what would be next…knives, shop tools, open windows…do you want to live in a bubble because your trusted media source likes to play you to suit its political needs?

  25. You have a constitutional right to carry a gun so you can overthrow the government if you need to, .. Thats what is in the constitution …. like thats ever going to happen …

    and all the killing of school children and other groups is done by the stable, upright and the law abiding, crimes of passion are committed by people who love each other and a gun make it a bit permanant, so sure, lets give everyone a gun, make it an uzi.

    I haven't heard of anyone going on a killing spree with a pen or garden tool yet … maybe soon …

    1% of the time you might be able to draw that gun and help the world but 99% of the time it will get you killed or those around you. Your family will be without their provider and it will change their life .. probably for the worst. but you will be dead and your rights will be intact and thats what counts.

    Fuck it, who cares, you have the right … its in the constitution and it can't be wrong.

  26. No because people in Texas are more responsible with a Gun on the hip, than most other states. I live in California home to the Capital of the Meth Heads,they wouldn't know what ow to act responsible with a gun. But I would, Id go clean up Those Mexican Cartels. Even though meth was born in WW1 . FEARLESS…..

  27. As much as I hate Texass, good . But just cause you're a packin a gat don't mean you know how nor when to use it. And don't matter how many of those state classes you go to, the only way to learn is to actually be in a real live shooting.

  30. We have had open carry and no license for concealed carry in AZ for awhile now and it's all good here. The streets aren't running with the blood of the endless shoot outs, there isn't mass shooting every hour. Good for Texas

  33. yes but if your in a store, bank, etc with a criminal and they see two of us you open carry me concealed you get shot for having your open carry I wait until the opportune time and shoot them see the benefit of concealment at-least that's how I view it.. I want open carry it gives me a greater chance of survival in hostage situations ahahah

  34. I really don't understand why people need guns? I've gotten through my life successfully without them. All they are good for (in a public context) is killing, other than that there is no need for them in public at all. Just carrying one shows the intent to use it. They should be kept to the farms and shooting ranges where they belong.

  36. really I have carried a gun my whole adult life doesnt mean intent to use it just have in case I need it, carried as a soldier 10 years then damn right had the intent and did! carrying a gun doesnt kill people in fact look at the statistics there are more people killed by NOT having knowledge of weapons, not securing them at home, not educating the children on them, than by carrying them. I carry CHL because if someone wants what I have they wont simply rob me and walk away they wanna make a mark so they rob shoot and roll this way its equal.

  37. I generally won't get much into these debates, but offer something to think about:
    Vermont doesn't have any gun laws, some people choose to open carry (although I'd rather keep the element of surprise and conceal), it's generally not a big deal.

  39. You may not have the intent to instigate something with your gun +Eddie Brown, but this robber that you describe does have that intent.

    All these shootings over the years at schools etc were done by people with the right to bear arms.

    Remove that right, make it damn near impossible to get a gun and these robbers / killers etc will no longer have easy access to these weapons that you guys so dearly love. It's far harder to kill people without guns.

  40. +Trev Burley I disagree (here I go, getting into it…)

    Make it damn near impossible to get a gun [legally] and robbers/killers/etc will still have access to illegal firearms. There are MILLIONS of firearms in the US.

  42. +Michael Acuna – I agree, but it will still be equal. A gun serves no purpose other than to kill (in public). A car gets you around, a bat hits balls, bricks build houses – guns are just used for killing (when in public). If you don't intend to kill someone with a gun then it's completely pointless.

    +Matt Lorence – That may be true, same can be said for here but at least then these people can be identified, at the moment good guys and bad guys both carry guns, if only the bad guys carry guns then those are the people to arrest. That is how it is in the UK and I've never seen a gun outside of the firing range. Also there are opportunists that exist who get up and think "I'm going to kill someone with my gun today" – those people may find it too much effort to do it unless they are really serious, perhaps giving them time to reconsider.

    The point is, guns are built as a killing tool, there is no place for them in society.

  47. +michael hartman "Only F*** Texas"

    No, Texas is in the minority on this one. Most states allow open carry of handguns. and Texas allows open carry of rifles and shotguns.

    Even though OC of long guns is allowed in Texas I rarely ever see it. Unless you're out on a ranch or something nobody does it. Perhaps a neighbor carrying his hunting rifle to/from his vehicle.

    Let me know if you want more information on this topic, as it's clear you don't know what you're talking about.

  49. +Sir Frank Warwick The elimination of the gun in honest citizens hands would only make them more effective in criminals hands anyways…criminals will most often gain them illegally anyways, and open borders means they can traffic anything including guns in to sell on the streets like they do drugs…and you see how they treat police when they try to enforce the laws….you will be even lass safe if you think about because there would be less restrain for a criminal living a "the perfect demolishion man future" …i guess you can say, the liberal agenda is whats leaving our country unsafe these days!

  50. +Gary Davis I have nearly 20 years martial arts experience and while we study disarming and self defense the number one thing people are taught is to just let the thug have what they want so you don't get hurt. You're statistically more likely to get harmed if you resist.

    +Kim Watts CCW's are fundamentally flawed, at least here in Missouri according to my ex-Captain of police father. You can get a CCW using a Ruger SP101 38 Special 2.25" and then carry a S&W 357. Just because you know how to fire one, doesn't mean you are adept at carrying and firing the other.

    +CatStarSTO First of all it was referring to a militia. Secondly, back then they had what was primarily hunting devices, not AR15s. Thirdly, things aren't as open ended as you're making them out to be and you know it. We have a Constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech but that doesn't mean ALL speech is equal or even that all speed is free. So even though we may have Second Amendment rights to "bear arms" that doesn't mean anybody gets to do anything they want.

    +Darin Hernandez +CatStarSTO yeah because everybody wants to go back to the Wild West style of living, cuz ya know, those days were the shit.

    +Juan Pablo Rico "No because people in Texas are more responsible with a Gun on the hip, than most other states." – please cite your source that backs this up.

    +Eddie Brown "carried as a soldier 10 years then damn right had the intent and did! carrying a gun doesnt kill people in fact look at the statistics there are more people killed by NOT having knowledge of weapons, not securing them at home, not educating the children on them, than by carrying them." A) You have training. Isreal has compulsory military training and their instance of asshatery with firearms is significantly less than ours…. because they were all trained to use firearms. B) You're statement about people without knowledge vs those who carry is illogical. Compare the number of people who don't have weapons in their homes vs those who carry and tell me who dies more by firearm deaths… that's the logical question/statement.

    +Matt Lorence How did you make the leap to making firearms illegal!? Not being for open-carry doesn't equal not allowing people to own firearms.

  52. It only makes it safer for the people who choose to carry guns for their protection. Although concealed carry is a much better and safer alternative, this does not mean that open carry should not be an option.

  53. +Paul Spoerry the right to bear arms in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with militias. You're forgetting the coma.

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    These are two individual thoughts.

    The use of the word arms was intentional because our Founding Fathers knew that firearm technology would improve. If they had intention to limit the type of firearm a person could own they would have done so.

    A musket was an assault weapon back then. Also a musket is much more dangerous than an AR 15.

  55. You know what's bizarre to me. Why are liberals so obsessed with disarming people? They do realize that gun control laws only affect people that actually follow the laws right?

    Its almost like they want to make sure that we can't fight back against there socialist agenda.

  56. +Rich White do you know how retarded you sound. The article isn't about disarming people, it's about people who can't currently openly carry wanting to change law so they can. There's no DISarming being discussed at all.

    It's almost like you don't think before you speak so that liberals will look down on you like you're some sort of idiot.

  58. +Paul Spoerry You're an idiot. It's obvious to the rest of us that Rich was talking about the numerous liberal fascists in the comments who are supporting some form of gun control or outright disarming.

    BTW, OC is a great idea. It's tough to conceal a handgun in the hot Texas summers. I hope Texas follows the majority of our country that does allow for OC of handguns. This shouldn't even be controversial.

  59. +Paul Spoerry "Cuz nothing makes us more safe than more guns"

    there won't be "more guns" it will be the same guns, your panzy ass will just be able to see them now. Frightening I know! I shake hands with folks all the time that have no idea i'm carrying a firearm. It only scares you because it's unfamiliar.

  60. +Rich White They do not know existing gun control laws and want to know nothing about guns or safety. They will be crying forever, because no mater how many laws there will be they will never want to know anything about it. This king of willful ignorance is now a threat to our free society, to freedom of speech, our rights not to be searched without court order.

  62. Oh so +Rich White that's exactly how it's written? With the commas that way? Or are you ignorant to the fact that there are multiple versions of that same statement written different ways? I'm guessing the later. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text And yes, "bear arms" in those days didn't refer to an individual, they referred to military activities because back then it was just freaking commonplace for everybody to own a gun. Also note that in there, nor in anything from the Constitutional Convention, is there a single word about an individual’s right to a gun for self-defense.

    The U.S. Supreme Court didn't rule that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual’s right to own a gun until 2008. Yes… 2008 during the District of Columbia v. Heller case. In fact, every other time the court had ruled previously, it had ruled otherwise. Four times between 1876 and 1939, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to rule that the Second Amendment protected individual gun ownership outside the context of a militia. The change didn't come til in the mid 70's the RNA started paying for and churning out an epic asston of legal briefs and began an intentional push for the change of public, opinion. Aw shit, those stupid facts getting in the way.

    +Daniel Murrey "liberal fascists" LOL. Yeah, that's what's transpiring here. Complete and utter liberal fascism. rolling eyes at you. (also, there's an EDIT button if you'd like to add to your previous comments).

    "Cuz nothing makes us more safe than more guns" – "there won't be "more guns" it will be the same guns". I'll take that… open carry doesn't mean there WILL be more guns. That's a fair take on it. However, I'd counter that the #1 reason people say they need to carry a gun is for personal protection, and because "bad guys will have guns", so the more people are aware that there are more guns the more people will feel threatened by those guns being around, so they may (I'll admit to it not being definite) then feel the need to have their own guns… which would then lead to more guns.

    "It only scares you because it's unfamiliar." I'm not unfamiliar. I grew up with guns. I'm from a family of hunters and my dad was a cop. He only recently retired, but until then if I went to dinner without a firearm being there. My family all knew there was at least two firearms on him at all times. I've been shooting a gun since it was reasonable for me to learn how to handle one, and considering they were always around it was important for me to know how to use them.

  63. +Paul Spoerry tldr.

    There is only one reason why you would want to disarm law abiding American citizens. If you want us defenseless so we can't fight back. The first thing Hitler did when he took control of Germany was disarm the population. We all know how that turned out.

  64. +Paul Spoerry
    Quoted below (my words are bold type) is how I ended up talking about making guns illegal.
    To clarify, I'm completely for the right to open carry, though I prefer concealed carry.

    If you want to broadcast to everyone that you're armed, make some people uncomfortable, draw attention to yourself, and possibly make yourself a primary target if a situation came up where someone else intended to do harm to a number of people, you should be able to.

    "Remove that right, make it damn near impossible to get a gun and these robbers / killers etc will no longer have easy access to these weapons that you guys so dearly love. It's far harder to kill people without guns."

    "Make it damn near impossible to get a gun [legally] and robbers/killers/etc will still have access to illegal firearms. There are MILLIONS of firearms in the US. "

    _"That may be true, same can be said for [the UK] but at least then these people can be identified, at the moment good guys and bad guys both carry guns, if only the bad guys carry guns then those are the people to arrest. That is how it is in the UK and I've never seen a gun outside of the firing range. Also there are opportunists that exist who get up and think "I'm going to kill someone with my gun today" – those people may find it too much effort to do it unless they are really serious, perhaps giving them time to reconsider.

    The point is, guns are built as a killing tool, there is no place for them in society."_

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/gun-crime+uk/uk

    The UK may have made (a variety of) [guns] illegal, but [guns are] still there.

    Again, Vermont has no gun laws. If you have a VT drivers license, you can walk into a gun shop with a handful of cash, and walk out with a gun, displayed proudly on your hip, or discretely tucked into your coat pocket. Nobody is telling you how to do it, and it's not like this state is a war zone or something.

  65. Trev Burley, you all are damn ignorant! you think you can take away all the guns from criminals, think only school and such shootings were done by legal citizens with the right to bare arms such BS none of them had CHL's several were done by stolen weapons. some by unexpecting parents that didnt lock their weapons up except behind display case easy access mine are displayed but youd need some C4 to get the ammo! it doesnt matter if you take the guns they would use bombs, fires, etc; man wants to kill man kills period! Take my guns after I gave along with countless men along with me gave mental, emotional, physical health, and their life to protect you LET ME SAY IT WASN'T WITH A DAMN STICK! guns don't have to kill I have used mine twice for some jackasses that wanted to rob me first was four guys in my hometown. Theyre gang bangers thought I was easy target, I warned them that didnt work, then I pulled then I called the cops they were arrested, second in San Antonio guy wanted to mug me I pulled dropped his ass to his knees and then called cops so were is the killing and intent you dumbasses get your heads out of your ass and the clouds fore your living in fantasy land!! you think "the bad guys are carrying in open, ?? you think they have a beacon saying hey im carrying" it makes it equal to some extent and its the right I fought for!!! So guns arent completely pointless they can protect you with out even a bullet in it hell the first time I threatened a weapon I didnt even have one but the bangers in Brownsville Texas thought I did as I was simply preparing to perform my duties as an OTR in home health however I suggested and they bailed if I hadnt they had knives and intent as stated to cut my ass up if I didnt give over my car and wallet..so see knive kill too! panzy asses is correct as stated by +Daniel Murrey One more thing it is not nearly impossible to kill people without guns I can show you numerous ways I can kill you with my bare hands in seconds 101st AB baby!! As far as logical statement more people are shot and killed by drive by's, robbers, to include in home robberies, public robberies, gang bangers, car jackers, rapist, etc than people carrying or owning guns in home! My statement maybe less expelled than should have been was to carryover that. If people whom buy were properly trained, then they trained the kids on safety and cause of weapons and what they can do, then lock the stuff up where they cannot get to the two items weapons and ammo! weapons can be beautiful and fun they have been in mans history since the beginning of time. If their werent we'd still be in caves, think of it truly not with blinders on. and finally I will laugh my ass off if I see one of you dorks on the news car jacked and ass kicked by someone without a gun who decided they wanted your car as your girlfriend says you just let him hit and slap me why didnt you do anything, your excuse "guns kill people" I have an arsenal in my home they've never killed anyone had them 1–>100 years in my family no one has ever been killed by them!

  66. The day they do us like the UK, is the day I've had enough. That's the day I abandon this rotting corpse of a once great nation, find a (very) isolated location, build a bunker with Vietcong style traps protecting all approaches, and stock it with food, water, and enough guns and ammo to wipe out a small country. Then please leave me alone, and I won't bother you all, as you skip down the path toward your own demise. ¬_¬

  67. +Paul Spoerry
    ""Cuz nothing makes us more safe than more guns" – "there won't be "more guns" it will be the same guns". I'll take that… open carry doesn't mean there WILL be more guns. That's a fair take on it. However, I'd counter that the #1 reason people say they need to carry a gun is for personal protection, and because "bad guys will have guns", so the more people are aware that there are more guns the more people will feel threatened by those guns being around, so they may (I'll admit to it not being definite) then feel the need to have their own guns… which would then lead to more guns."a

    what a load of circular bull crap. What will happen is that open carry will be legal and nobody will know the difference because almost no one will open carry. Even still. I can have guests over and open carry in my house, it's usually the end of the evening when I'm saying goodbye before anyone even notices I have a gun on me. People tend to be oblivious.

    Fair enough if you grew up around guns. I can't delve into your pea brain about why it scares you to have regular citizens carrying guns.

    I'd disarm governments before I'd disarm people. Organized government has killed more people than any mass murderer could ever dream of killing alone. Disarm the police, disarm the military, disarm the IRS, the FBI, the CIA. If your talking innocent human life killed it makes way more sense to ban the government from owning guns.

  71. It should not be only about guns, we should care about all other rights that are being violated and eroded. What about privacy, we have the rights of not being searched. Without it people are afraid to exercise their freedom of speech.
    In addition to all previous comments, we need to do something about influx of violence in schools. This The root cause of this problem is NOT the guns, what we are looking at is a new phenomenon created in the past 20 years by the entertainment industry and copycats inspired by the press. We also have few select idiots who fell under the microscope of sensation hungry news.

  72. Good call +Viktor Bludov, our culture is broken. Children are not disciplined properly. I don't mean beating them, I mean teaching consequences for behavior through fair punishment and proper explanation of what rules were violated. Even if kids aren't shooting each other, instances of assault on each other and on adults by students is way too high. My wife works at a public school and has been assaulted by students. Children used to be taught better than this.

    I'm sure our violent media has something to do with it. But I also think fatherlessness has a lot to do with it. Not that a mom can't properly bring up a child, but the team of a mother and father does a superb job of bringing up children when both parent's are diligent in their responsibilities as parents. Furthermore I would blame our welfare system which discourages, through poorly thought out incentives, a two parent household. Instead we have live in boyfriends and no stability in the home. We have both mothers and fathers working constantly and children being raised by government schools. It's pitiful! It's not the gun's fault, it's people's fault for doing everything wrong and no longer caring about future generations enough to teach them right from wrong.

  73. +Sir Frank Warwick what's funny is stats and studies show that the more armed citizens there are the safer th community. I did a study and debate on this in college. Showed fbi stats and European studies and stats, and no one, not one liberal student, could touch the truth. Studies prove it and you can't prove that 99% of the time people die when owning a gun. If that was the case every American would be dead because we have more guns than people in the U.S.A.

  74. +Devin Hill Also interesting to note that the UK calculates Murder completely different than we do. We call it a homicide when a body is found that didn't die naturally or through suicide. The UK won't classify a homicide or murder until after someone has been convicted, and it takes years for their courts to finally convict someone. Thus giving the illusion that their murder rate is drastically lower than ours.

  77. In 2012, according to the (notoriously anti-gun) Violence Policy Center's own data, there were 18 homicides committed by people legally carrying a concealed firearm.

    Meanwhile, in 2012, there were approximately 8.2 MILLION concealed carry permit holders in the United States.

    So approximately .0002% of concealed carry permit holders committed a homicide while carrying concealed.

    I've never been able to find any data on the number of homicides committed by open carriers, but my guess is it's not even that "high", or the VPC would be all over that, too.

    Long story short…the people who carry legally, either openly or concealed, are NOT the people other law abiding citizens need to be afraid of.

  81. +Eddie Brown VPC hides that data behind a lot of misleading and disingenuous information, if not outright lies, but after you break down their numbers by years, and then sift through each incident to filter out the ones that were justified homicides and other crap, it boils down to 18 in 2012.

    Also, that 8.2 million is low, as one state (Maryland, maybe, but I don't remember for sure) doesn't allow reporting on their permit holders, due to privacy laws, and another state (Vermont, I believe) doesn't require any permit to carry concealed.

    +Daniel Murrey I researched and analyzed that data myself and already weeded out justifiable homicides and a couple other scenarios that made the homicides not fall under the umbrella of "concealed carry permit holder actively carrying concealed". Even if you don't filter out the justified homicides and other stuff, it's still only 29 for 2012. Again…out of roughly 8.2 million.

  82. +Rich White "There is only one reason why you would want to disarm law abiding American citizens. If you want us defenseless so we can't fight back. The first thing Hitler did when he took control of Germany was disarm the population. We all know how that turned out. " WOW… thanks for bringing the crazy dude. Nobody said anything about not allowing people to have firearms. Go back to watching Faux News.

    +Daniel Murrey I'm not afraid of you like you'd hurt me. LOL. I mean shit man, at least I post publicly instead of hiding and trolling on other posts. The reason I'm afraid of you is this kinda shit, "I can have guests over and open carry in my house, it's usually the end of the evening when I'm saying goodbye before anyone even notices I have a gun on me." You wear a gun in your own fucking home? BWAHAHAHAHA… seriously, you're like the perfect example of people who jack off to their firearms thinking everybody is out to get you.

  88. Go Texas! Open carry is legal were I live, Las Vegas. I don't recommend to open carry, I prefer concealed carry. Concealed carry is also legal here with a CCW. Actually not much that has to do with guns is illegal here. BTW guns don't just go off, movies are movies and idiots are idiots.

  89. +Paul Spoerry simply by using the meme faux news means I can disregard everything you say from this point forward. Did you know Fox News is the only news channel that does not use the liberal activist organization Media Matters for their content? That explains why they have better ratings than all the other news channels combined. That also explains why you're so deluded.

  90. I agree with +Rich White only reasons anyone wants our guns gun of stand-up citizens is for more control, you can have mine I'll hand it over flash supressor first! hhaha and NO I dont carry in my own home why I am home unless I am having a garage sale with mass amounts of strangers over with my living out of town I and we could be prime pickings to some thug. I dont fantasize about shooting someone been there done that its not fun, something to admire in fact its haunting but rather a haunt than a regret to not make my family safe the reality is this world is crazy with or without guns and people seem to be increasingly lazy they rather rob you than earn it themselves.

  91. +Rich White did you know that people who watch news parody shows know more legitimate facts than people who watch main stream media (I'm being inclusive of all, not Fox alone)? That's an actual fact (http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15205436.2014.891138#.VI9BgNXF_7V). NPR’s listeners are the best-informed and Fox viewers are the worst-informed. That can also be backed by facts (http://www.poynter.org/news/mediawire/174826/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/). What you've just stated isn't a fact at all. There is no factual basis for your statement that they have better ratings because of where they get their content. Perhaps they have better ratings because they're more sensational? Maybe they're just the Honey Boo Boo of news?

  92. If I see anyone other than police officer carrying, I will call the real police that my life may be in danger and they should get involved before I do! Can you imagine how busy the police will be?

  98. +Paul Spoerry​

    To your theory of carrying different pistols..I believe you should practice and become proficient with the weapon you are going to carry.

    I prefer ccw for several reasons to include but not limited to the following,

    You do not know I am armed
    Since you are not aware I am armed it does not cause concern

    In addition, I believe carring a firearm for personal safety is just one option…like that of local law enforcement I may have additional " less lethal" means at my disposal….i.e. pepper spray or kubaton.

    The keys are safety, practice, and knowing your state and local laws with respect to use of deadly force. For sure if you shoot someone whether they perish or survive it will only be the start of alot of legal issues. God bless.

  100. +Paul Spoerry and that comment confirmed it. You do realize NPR is directly funded by the government right? Its not a conspiracy it's actually a government-funded radio station.

    Believe whatever you want, we can dismiss you just as easily.

  102. Guns don't kill people, untrained idiots thinking they are heroes kills people. (or, for that mater, people that see aggression or a threat where its not there). Humans are flawed creatures, and danger is not neatly divided into "bad guy vs good guy". A person with a gun can deter or stop a crime – absolutely. But they can also make a situation much worse.

    I do wish this sort of debate was less fall of hyperbole when it shows up on my streams though. Its actually quite a complex thing and not at all clear cut the degrees to which guns endanger, or make safer, lives – and there is good arguments on both sides when people stop using Hitler analogies or other logical fallacies.

  104. …what about Fast and Furious? If they are afraid of Americans (their own people) having guns, why arm unknown people running across our borders? Sounds fishy to me…

  105. +CatStarSTO Because Fast and Furious was an idiotic move to track drug cartels.The goal wasn't arming, but it was still pretty stupid.

    That said, its not about "americans" having guns or not as, contrary to rhetoric, its not about having or not having guns,its about who and what sort of guns. For example, pretty much everyone agrees that we dont people with mental issues having guns – but how do you achieve that? Isnt it pointless to do background checks via shops if in some states you can just buy and sale guns out the boot of your car legally? and, as mentioned what of training, does untrained people having guns make us safer? or should everyone owning them be required to have training? (what if they cant afford it?)
    The issue is more complex then the black and white terms its often painted in.

  109. +Paul Spoerry Wow you must have been asleep that week. I was watching live footage of rioters cleaning out everything they could get their hands on, shots fires from anonymous people unseen from the smoke of their fires. It looked like a revolution in a 3rd world country…community organizers screaming for more carnage on the street corners…then looking for donations to run for president. Farrakhan yelling to get out there and kill kill kill! The national guard was mobilized incase his war broke out…Too wild for my taste!

    You must have been watching liberal news saying all is well or something…dont forget to thank the police for keeping you safe during that time.

  110. You must have been watching Fox +CatStarSTO because I was hearing from friends who live ON the main strip in Ferguson and watched it go down out their apartment window.

    Also, the cops made it WORSE and fucktarded that situation up at most every turn. That's not excusing the violence, and I'm not "anti-cop", my dad is a retired police captain, but to say the police did a swell job would be disingenuous at best. And while there were horrifically violent and awful things that transpired there were also members of the community who would band arms together and STOP the rioters from going near local businesses.

  111. +Paul Spoerry aww, you where holding out on us….it seems those days where more exciting then you where letting on! ^^

    …and the cops where in a spot, the politics they face while trying to do their jobs leave them in a damned if you do and damned if you dont position. Im sure cops had it tough when your dad wore a badge, its not easy at all…but he didnt have to deal with hate chanting and a liberal controlled courts system that condemn cops for looking at you the wrong way. Being a cop is hell! They face the same level of stress as a combat soldier, a soldier has to fight a politically controlled war, making his job like walking a tightrope while dodging bombs…a cops job is about the same!

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