I've never known a world without Walmart. It's easy to see why in this gif, but the time I was at an age to know what a store was they had already placed one in nearly all of Missouri and a lot of the surrounding Midwest. (oh BTW this gif only goes to 2006!)
What's your take… is Walmart evil or just being a true American capitalist?
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The Greed disease….
American Capitalism was killed long ago…
Looks and feels like some kind of infestation. It's hard to look at the way they do business and see no evil.
Just built one not far from my house. I'm pretty sure you could comfortably hold the entire population of St.Albans Vt within the walls of the walmart…
I still hit the local stores when I need to shop. Only exception was when I was looking for a halloween makeup kit very last minute.
They did not have what I was looking for.
Nothing wrong with spreading. Its when you pay your staff the bare minimum and then put out "donation" boxs for them that your in fall cackleing cat-stroking supervillian mode.
Buy cheap products that don't last=creative waste. Live better while we degrade human lives and the environment.
For the record. There is n God, no Devil, and not Evil Corporations just bad people.
Evil is intentionally increasing harm to others, normally to benefit
yourself. If company's cant be called "evil" evil pretty much is worthless
as a word. You can have both passive/systemic evil in a company structure,
as well as specific evil by the board members making decisions.
Or, to put it another way, company's can be evil because groups of people
can be evil collectively.
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But you are mistaking a Company, a piece of paper, for the actual human beings doing the evil.
I am not getting mixed up, I just define a company as a group of paper – not as a bit of paper.
That said, even if every board member of a company was "good" I think a company can still do evil. A lot of evil can be done passively…merely though the systemic evils of how its set up. "Most profitable" policy's might automatically be selected. Algorithms might be abused because they give returns and it might be "no ones responsibility" to check risks.
It all comes down to humans, in the end. No question there. But sometimes the problem can be in the "system" and how it was set up, as well as those that might be abusing it from the top, either actively or unknowingly.
+Race Vanderdecken Currently… corporations ARE people: http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/558/08-205/opinion.html
Really +Paul Spoerry that is all you got?
Odd…I thought I replied here too 😕
Essentially; Company's are groups of people, not bits of paper. Therefor
they can be evil because groups of people can be evil.
Aside then that, company's can have systemic evils that happen "by default"
merely by their operation. Metaphorically speaking, this is sort of "evil
paper". At the end of the day, it always comes down to people – but that
can be people that set up the structure, or people that let the status quo
happen "because that's how its down".
The whole "company's are people" thing meanwhile is just a demonstration of
how the rich control politics more and more. Its merely so they can get
unlimited anominious bribes to politicians. If company's were really
treated as people, corporate manslaughter would mean the company would need
to stop trading for years while its "in jail".
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Companies are people under the law in that they are a being that can be taxed, you can't tax an animal directly, they can have estates, borrow money, hold debts and such as a person, etc…
Being in a group does not excuse, nor release, individual within a group from doing Evil as that is the following order defense.
By saying a company is evil can only mean that individuals within the company are evil and since only individuals can be responsible you need to point out the actual person doing the harm.
To accuse Walmart, or the Boy Scouts, of being Evil and to blame everyone there is guilt by association. Merely being offended is not enough and means nothing.
+Race Vanderdecken You fundamentally misunderstand Citizens United; it granted 1st Amendment rights to Corporations. It didn't modify their taxation. It allowed them to vote… like a person.
+Race Vanderdecken, first of all, there is a GOD. Second of all, you sound like a douchbag, you're annoying, and a smartass, and lastly, get a life! You don't know it all, so don't flatter yourself…
+Paul Spoerry, you're a very patient man when it comes to ignorance…
Great, now the Jesus Freaks hate me too.
Now, now, we are arguing mostly over semantics here. I think we all agree groups of people can be evil. What we count as a company is a pretty minor thing really.
The existence or not of God, meanwhile, is unknowable, and if you belief or not merely is based on what you think the default should be for lack of evidence. As long as you don't use the deity to support your arguments, it bares little relevance to discussions either way.
Lastly, the Citizens United ruling should be understood, as (imho) it was quite a scary decision. It isnt, however, true it gives company's the right to vote. At least, not directly. It means that (in addition to individual donations by the people in the company) a company itself can donate to a party or politician in unlimited amounts.
The amount of money in politics is now at stupid levels;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/01/21/how-citizens-united-changed-politics-in-6-charts/
+Carmy Mattson I might argue the existence of god. But that's a different thread. But thanks for the compliments on my patience, and to those commenting who've stayed civil I appreciate you.
+Thomas Wrobel I'm mostly in agreement, except that at this point the ability for "a company itself can donate to a party or politician in unlimited amounts." equates to a "vote".
Lol, you're welcome +Paul Spoerry… 🙂