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Toddler reaches into purse and gun goes off, killing mom

December 30, 2014 by Paul Spoerry 233 Comments



Toddler reaches into purse and gun goes off, killing mom
HAYDEN, Idaho — A 29-year-old woman died Tuesday after a child reached into her purse and accidentally discharged her gun, authorities said. The woman, whose name has not been released, was shopping at a

Yes the mom had a conceal carry permit. Maybe the kid was trying to stop a crime….

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About Paul Spoerry

I’m a groovy cat who’s into technology, Eastern Thought, and house music. I’m a proud and dedicated father to the coolest little guy on the planet (seriously, I'm NOT biased). I’m fascinated by ninjas, the Internet, and anybody who can balance objects on their nose for long periods of time.

I have a utility belt full of programming languages and a database of all my knowledge on databases... I practice code fu. Oh, I've also done actual Kung Fu, and have a black belt in Tae Kwon Do.

I run. I meditate. I dance. I blog at PaulSpoerry.com, tweet @PaulSpoerry, and I'm here on Google+.

I'm currently work for IBM developing web enabled insurance applications for IBM and support and develop a non-profit called The LittleBigFund.

Comments

  1. Simon Cousins says

    December 30, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    The NRA are considering it self-defense.

  2. Paul Spoerry says

    December 30, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    +Simon Cousins​​ I saw your comment and just went, "aww damn." _slow golf clap_

  3. Simon Cousins says

    December 30, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    Indeed +Paul Spoerry. A very depressing event that hurts so much to read that dark humor seems to be the only thing that stops me from curling up in a ball.

  4. Gary S. B. says

    December 30, 2014 at 8:33 pm

    See what's going to happen because Walmart supports Al Sharpton!

  5. Joey Henderson says

    December 30, 2014 at 11:18 pm

    Oh shit never keep guns were babies, toddlers etc can reach them

  6. Devin Hill says

    December 30, 2014 at 11:32 pm

    A loaded firearm must always be in your control especially when conceal and carrying in public. When loaded mine is always under my control and strapped to me. A horrible event but some errors were apparent here.

  7. Devin Hill says

    December 30, 2014 at 11:36 pm

    And remember dark humor people, guns are safer than vehicles when rules are abided by. Just like driving.

  8. Regimental Commander Xerxes says

    December 30, 2014 at 11:50 pm

    +Simon Cousins that made me laugh more than i should've. Well played!

  9. Matthew Madigan says

    December 30, 2014 at 11:50 pm

    And as usual you liberal assholes look for tragedies to push your filthy anti-American propoganda!

  10. Ronin Makami says

    December 30, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    Safeties…use them

  11. Devin Hill says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:01 am

    +Ronin Makami you know what's better than a safety? A holster that doesn't allow access to the trigger.

  12. Luo Ken says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:04 am

    mysteries to ponder … yes if a meteor hits your car insurance covers it sometimes … and yes you called the baby a murderer in regular speak

  13. letsgetinfo says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:06 am

    Can anyone say therapy for life, damn I wish that young child luck

  14. J Roberts says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:11 am

    This is tragic, however it's one of those freak accidents that unfortunately happen in life… I live in Arizona, maybe 4 or 5 months ago there was a 9 year old girl at a shooting range..

    The girls parents were there and there was a certified and competent shooting instructor showing her how to shoot..
    Sadly the young girl was shooting a full auto UZI 9MM, with the instructor standing just behind her and to her left she pulled the trigger, with the recoil and it being full auto, she couldn't control the weapon bringing it left, shooting and killing the instructor..

  15. RAY HEFFLEY says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:11 am

    I feel so bad for this family. And the child. Hand gun, weapon safety is more important than locking your car, than anything if you are to own one. But here we go again. I'm deeply sadden'd but shake my head in frustration.

  16. Luo Ken says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:12 am

    youd need phosphorous ignited by remote artillery to take my guns and yet you argue for it …

  17. Luo Ken says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:16 am

    you guys like the parents who boiled their children's brains and 'forgot about the baby in the car' … get outta here

  18. Luo Ken says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:17 am

    :3

  19. J Roberts says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:21 am

    I hear that.. Parents unfortunately lock there kids inside there cars way, way to much here, especially in PHX here in the summer time.. These people should be horse whipped..

  20. Luo Ken says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:22 am

    oops i dropped this axe a guy i hate from really really far …

  21. Jason Murray says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:25 am

    Tragic and random.

  22. Doyle Hanna says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:41 am

    Hey Dude, ban slick floors, you can bust your ass and be crippled forever, things happen you know, get a life and stay from living, haha!

  23. Ender Shot says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:41 am

    How about having a knife, not a gun..

  24. Ender Shot says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:42 am

    +J Roberts some just dont like shopping so they stay in with a game or somthing

  25. Luo Ken says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:44 am

    +Ender Shot knife fight a robber !!! but we have guns !!

  26. Mark design says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:52 am

    This was a one in a million tragedy.

    Leave it to the gun control extremist to exploit it.

  27. Jim Gadsden says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:06 am

    +Ender Shot I have both!

  28. Ronin Makami says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:06 am

    I wasn't trying to exploit anything. Just saying. Using the safety could've prevented this. Keeping a purse with a loaded weapon AWAY from a toddler's reach definately would've prevented it. (Then again, those larva have telekinesis..all parents know this!) Basic gun safety.Too many accidents.

  29. Jim Gadsden says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:15 am

    +Ronin Makami The way I understand it is the gun was a revolver with the hammer cocked in the mothers purse.
    This just goes to show Darwin was correct!

  30. Bunny Voodoo Bun says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:32 am

    Ever Herd of a safety switch?
    This is going to hurt us, brace for the media.

  31. Christopher Snow says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:37 am

    They should lock him up and throw away the key, obviously he's got a life of crime ahead of him, just a bad seed.

  32. Bunny Voodoo Bun says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:40 am

    +Jim Gadsden hammer cocked? These people hurt us all

  33. Bob Graves says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:52 am

    Once again the great society I am not down on guns everyone should have five or six but the fucken lawless ness we have becomefucken 3 rd world this is so unreal I have been Hayden its not new York or st Louis we Rep what we sow Paul spoerry getthe fucken smile off your face when you post something like this maybe the kid was trying to stop a crime you should not have a gun your a asshole unwiped at that I hope a black cloud over your house for 2015

  34. Jim Gadsden says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:57 am

    +Bunny Voodoo Bun I was following this on a different post. There are a lot of missing parts to this story.
    My biggest question is. How does a two year old toddler discharge a revolver? A two two year olds hands are not physically capable of it without the weapon being cocked, locked and ready to rock.
    If this is truly the case? That was a truly stupid woman,and Darwin was correct.

  35. Bunny Voodoo Bun says

    December 31, 2014 at 2:06 am

    +Jim Gadsden they are saying that the hammer was back on the revolver!!! Even without the child, something bad could have happened. Hard to be leave that she was half cocked. Well whatever she was afraid of, her fears did kill her. And the poor child.

  36. nancy postma says

    December 31, 2014 at 2:13 am

    This is one more way for stupid to remove it's self from life . yes its a tragity that this happened but its the responsibility of every ccw owner to keep thare weapons under control at all times but u can't fix stupid. She fucked up and pages the price. Nothing different than someone trying to pick up a rattle snake. Only good thing she got shot not a another customer. Ccw classes teach you ( well tryed in this case ) to holster your side arm in a safe way . in a purse is not safe for a revolver hammer gets bumped wrong it goes off . by the way they make purses with built in holsters that would have made this whole thing a happy new years but stupid came into play. But look at it on the good side one less dumbass in this world

  37. Jim Gadsden says

    December 31, 2014 at 2:22 am

    +Bunny Voodoo Bun Yep! She could have just dropped her purse and the gun could have discharged.
    Very tragic.
    In the big picture though. In a country with 320,000,000 people in it, and millions and millions and millions of guna around. The average number of accidental firearm fatalities from 1998 thru 2012 were about 800 per year. (I googled "annual firearm fatalities") Thats a pretty good safety record.

  38. nancy postma says

    December 31, 2014 at 2:23 am

    Oh and for all u talking about knives. You only have an advantage within 20 feet I'll use my 45 at 35 feet and put you an your ass . plus think of what would have happened if the kid staged its self or worse another customer. Bottom line it don't matter what you carry use common sense. Secure your weapons .

  39. Bunny Voodoo Bun says

    December 31, 2014 at 2:26 am

    +Jim Gadsden oh I'm with you, but the media doesn't care about that. All they care about is their biases, and their adjenda. They will take this and run with it, as will the schools (my sis is a teacher).

  40. Christopher Snow says

    December 31, 2014 at 2:35 am

    +Bunny Voodoo Bun I saw the media at the store one time buying milk.

  41. robert o Anderson says

    December 31, 2014 at 3:08 am

    ok, so one bad thing happens and all the worms like the media
    who are scared of they're own shadow and belive every little thing that Obama says, the voice of how everyone should live.
    no , if you dont like our freedom, go to Cuba or China or Mexico or Korea.
    this country was built by strong people of curage and integrity of freedom and liberty
    not socialism and fear and control.

  42. Noah Carlin says

    December 31, 2014 at 3:12 am

    My problem with this is what the fuck was she doing with a handgun in her purse in the first place. ._.

  43. Randy G says

    December 31, 2014 at 3:26 am

    Noah, Thats the right question, Why? Maybe she didnt wont to live in fear? Of what, we'll never know, but in american land of the free, it was her right to carry a gun. People die from stupid accidents everyday, and hopefully life go's on for the families.

  44. Doyle Hanna says

    December 31, 2014 at 3:43 am

    Some people are born just dumb, takes a text book to figure out that fire burns, or duh should I touch that burner.. Guns dont kill, people do, so do animals. I say people have the right to protect themselves, and not be idiots, educate yourselves, that is if you have a half brain or more!

  45. Fratani Marie-Noelle says

    December 31, 2014 at 3:48 am

    So sad story

  46. Johnny Draco says

    December 31, 2014 at 3:55 am

    False flag.

  47. Michael West says

    December 31, 2014 at 4:04 am

    +Paul Spoerry because a CCW automatically makes one Gun safety advocate of the year. That's like saying a drivers license makes me a NASCAR driver.

  48. Richard schweim says

    December 31, 2014 at 4:06 am

    The issue here has nothing to do guns, the real issue should be people who are to ignorant to be raising children. At least maybe now this child has a chance to be raised by someone with an ounce of common sense.

  49. Johnny Draco says

    December 31, 2014 at 4:19 am

    WE CONTROL THE PRESS

    We shall deal with the press in the following way: what is the part played by the press to-day? It serves to excite and inflame those passions which are needed for our purpose or else it serves selfish ends of parties. It is often vapid, unjust, mendacious, and the majority of the public have not the slightest idea what ends the press really serves.

  50. john burden says

    December 31, 2014 at 4:31 am

    +Ronin Makami I was just thinking the same thing.

  51. The Stow says

    December 31, 2014 at 4:33 am

    Another argument people can use against guns. Accidents happen. People die from cars but you don't take cars away. Do you really want to take away freedom for security?

  52. Chris Oropeza says

    December 31, 2014 at 4:43 am

    To carry a concealed firearm, (Lock & Loaded), in California. You have to prove to a judge you are in danger by a person who has a criminal assault or child abuse charge, that is a threat to you…

  53. john burden says

    December 31, 2014 at 5:00 am

    +Chris Oropeza what u think is a threat the judge might not think is a threat and threats are out there and u don't even know it's coming ,like armed robbery,rape,assult,ect.so are u saying u have to be a victum before u can conceal and carry? That's the dumbest thing I heard.i agree u should be educated in the classroom and hands on.a person has to b e ready to take a life to save there own and then live with there decision but not be hurt in order to carry a gun.just my thoughts.

  54. Echo Wun says

    December 31, 2014 at 5:27 am

    The saddest thing here is that a child has lost its mother.

    Freedom includes the freedom to suffer terrible accidents…

  55. Charles Clemens says

    December 31, 2014 at 5:47 am

    Yeah shopping at Walmart

  56. A.T. R. says

    December 31, 2014 at 5:58 am

    Tragic accident.

  57. Sweet toothed Scarecrow says

    December 31, 2014 at 6:00 am

    Ahh yes another tragic american accident

  58. Michele Wilson says

    December 31, 2014 at 6:48 am

    +Ender Shot​​ because a knife requires you to be within arm's length if you were to be attacked. If that person so happens to be much larger and stronger than you is going to end poorly for you. Unless of course, you live in some fantasy world where everyone is deadly with a throwing knife. Lady should have picked a safer way to carry I feel bad for both her and the kid. You raging liberals have to understand though. You guys pointing out a few cases of irresponsible owners and screaming that guns need to be banned is the same as saying cars need to be banned because there sure are a lot of irresponsible drivers. If they can't handle a car then i guess you just can't trust anyone with a car.

  59. Dennis Deckard says

    December 31, 2014 at 6:49 am

    Exactly right,+A.T. R.

    Is that not the point,+The Stow?

  60. Mike D says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:01 am

    Why wasn't the safety on?

  61. Will Freely says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:17 am

    Future cop in the maKing. Bet that little bugger gets away with it like a real cop would.

  62. Gordon Gaines says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:24 am

    She should have kept her kids hands out of her purse. Sad.

  63. Robert Cowan says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:35 am

    +Matthew Madigan well said mat

  64. Robert Cowan says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:44 am

    You are one ignorant bitch no wonder you have no picture posted get a life

  65. Luis A. del Mazo says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:45 am

    Why guns have a safety. It was gun owner negligence and no one else's fault.

  66. Pam Wielander says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Well the mother paid a heavy price for her mistake so why are liberals complaining? Using this to push a anti 2nd amendment rights agenda is disgusting imo…

  67. 11B30Inf says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:22 am

    Unintentional Firearms Fatalities at All-time Low???

    Data released by the National Safety Council demonstrates that unintentional firearm-related fatalities continue to remain at historically low levels. In fact, in the last two decades the number of unintentional firearm-related fatalities has declined by 58 percent – from 1,441 unintentional fatalities in 1991 to 600 in 2011. Firearms are involved in ½ percent of all unintentional fatalities in the United States. In a side-by-side comparison, firearms rank among the lowest causes of injury.

  68. Captain Chaos says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:29 am

    I'm sure this makes you communist happy. But good thing we live in a Republic where individual rights are protected. Regardless of your opinion.

  69. Sheldon Anim-Addo says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:38 am

    +Matthew Madigan
    How is asking why a safety wasn't on a gun with a hair trigger in a purse next to a two year old liberal propaganda?

  70. Aaron Franc says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:39 am

    This sucks. And on that note see what happens when you stop breastfeeding.

  71. 11B30Inf says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:45 am

    +Sheldon Anim-Addo Its not liberal propaganda if you are asking why the safety was not on! People have to realize that conceal carry should not be in a purse. But in a conceal holster or like one person in this forum said…in those fake sneaky-pete holsters that look like a smart phone carrier. Besides that accidental firearms deaths nationally is at 0.5%.

  72. Luo Ken says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:56 am

    more babies drown in buckets

  73. John Zennario says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:58 am

    This is a tragedy and should be treated as such

  74. Luo Ken says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:59 am

    the bucket turned on mom

  75. Craig Westbrook says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:16 am

    +Simon Cousins Fuck You ~ Its probably another Eric Holder fake news story ~ An if its real YOU are the asshole cheering a death~ FUCK YOUR FAMILY you pos ~

  76. Craig Westbrook says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:17 am

    +J Roberts Staged events ~ DHS protocol #1

  77. Chris Oropeza says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:22 am

    +john burden you have to have paper work, like a restraining order…

  78. Humankind NGO says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:24 am

    tsk tsk

  79. Aaron Franc says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:24 am

    Being that I live in Utah and have not heard one word of this on ksl.com. Maybe

  80. Bernard Boone says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:25 am

    She shouldn't have been carrying without a holster ….plain and simple

  81. Alan Caye says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:41 am

    I am very much pro gun. There was one on me now. But you do not put a purse with a gun in it within reach of a toddler. That was an extremely bad choice obviously. My prayers are with the family.

  82. Craig Westbrook says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:42 am

    +Alan Caye Eric holder says American have to be brainwashed even staged news is OK ~ http://youtu.be/gYyqBxD-3xw

  83. Paul Spoerry says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:43 am

    +11B30Inf Thanks for making that point clear. The gun was in her PURSE. Yes, she had a CCW to have it, but not the brains to handle it properly. As such, it cost the woman her life and untold mental suffering to the child.

    To all of you who can't write a coherent sentence that is even close to grammatically correct English: stop speaking, you're making those who have legitimate arguments for owning a CCW look bad.

    To those who say "more people die driving cars" or "more babies drown in buckets" you're just idiots. Cars are made for driving. Buckets are made for carrying water (in the example of babies drowning in them; you can of course carry other things in them). Guns are made for killing. You can slip on the sidewalk and kill yourself. So what? That has ZERO bearing on a discussion concerning firearms. Their sole purpose is to kill. To those who say, "I use mine as a deterrent" I call bullshit. If it was ONLY ever to deter, then you'd never load it. You do load it though, in case you need to kill someone. Yes, killing someone to deter them from killing you is absolutely a valid point. I'm just trying to make clear that a car and a firearm is not a one-to-one comparison. If you're making that argument you need to rethink your logic course because that's not even close to a one-to-one comparison.

    For the record, I'm not anti-gun. I grew up in a family of hunters and with a dad who was a cop. I've been around firearms my entire life. That said, our current system isn't properly implemented, specifically surrounding CCW. And much of that is because of asshats who hear the word "regulation" and flip the fuck out that people are going to take their guns. They live in this world that doesn't exist. Nobody wants to take away ALL THE GUNS (OK some do, but not most). In many states you can get a CCW with a Ruger .38 and then carry a S&M 29 .44 revolver. That's not even in the same category. I DO have issue with that system.

    Having issue with that doesn't make me a commie or hater of freedom. It does prove you live in a revisionist history, a fake world of gun toting Americans (I'm not referring to hunting weapons). Historically, we've been pretty pro gun legislation. Not ANTI-GUN, just pro gun legislation. In DC, it was against the law to have a loaded handgun in your home without a gun lock. Now, anybody who's been around guns is going to say, "but of course you should have a gun lock." I agree. Totally. Except that in 1976 a group looked to overturn that. It wasn't even the NRA, but small group of libertarian lawyers that brought it up. It wasn't until 2008 that the Supreme Court ruled (5-4) that the Second Amendment guarantees a right to own a weapon "in common use" to protect "hearth and home." So call me names and pretend I want to take your guns away. I really don't give a fuck what you think. You came to my post, not the other way around.

  84. Alan Caye says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:44 am

    I certainly would not put that past that piece of crap. Someone on here commented that he lives in Utah and heard nothing about it.

  85. Aaron Franc says

    December 31, 2014 at 10:01 am

    +Alan Caye that was I. Searched and found nothing on the issue.

  86. Aaron Franc says

    December 31, 2014 at 10:04 am

    Salt Lake City is very close to the Idaho border. We here their new as if it was ours. See for yourself http://www.ksl.com

  87. Devin Hill says

    December 31, 2014 at 10:56 am

    +Paul Spoerry just admit it, guns are safer than some things we own lol. That's our point. We own other objects that will more likely take a life than our firearms and they were created to kill. So that actually strengthens our arguments. And sorry for my sentence structure I don't have time to edit on the fly writings.

  88. Grandmaster S.DeGon says

    December 31, 2014 at 10:59 am

    I leave less than 10 miles where this occurred, very much a horrific situation, but there was many things wrong here. Not only was she shot by her toddler, she had several other older children with her and multiple other family member there at the time. When carrying a fire arm, you must be extremely careful at all times, especially when you have kids around. However, we in Idaho still believe in our second amendment right and so does her family regardless of what happened. This will only allow the anti-gun nuts something to use in their campaigns.

  89. Jerrod Metropulos says

    December 31, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Her mistakes, 1. Having a round chambered. 2. Not utilizing or choosing a gun with a safety.

  90. Devin Hill says

    December 31, 2014 at 11:23 am

    +Jerrod Metropulos​ having a round chambered is not the mistake. The mistake is not having the firearm in her control when loaded. It is perfectly safe to have a round chambered.

  91. Bryan Headrick says

    December 31, 2014 at 11:41 am

    you really can't call this an accident. this was gross negligence on the part of the gun owner. where are all the communists that half of you are arguing with?

  92. Thomas Wrobel says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    Horrific though this is (especially for the child) this is somewhat the best case – the person who was irresponsible was the one that lost their life.
    +Devin Hill What other things could a child grab to kill someone with like this? Whats wrong about, like with cars, to demand training ? Clearly not everyone with guns should have them, as they are a danger to others.

  93. Paul Spoerry says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    +Devin Hill Um… no. The reason that cars have been getting safer is precisely because they are regulated. And those regulations are getting stiffer every year. Again, you're comparing two completely different things and saying it's a one-to-one comparison when clearly it's not. Flawed logic doesn't make you right no matter how much you want it to.

    As an aside, a friend on FB told me that purse carry is totally legit and safe. However, he stipulated that is if you use a gun designed to hold the firearm. While I'm glad to know they actually design purses to do this for those who DO carry, I'd wager $100 that most women who carry them in a purse aren't using a specially designed purse.

    To follow up on +Thomas Wrobel… training. Like I said before, my primary issue with CCW is that you can get trained on one gun and then carry one completely different. This is akin to getting a license in a Ford Fusion and then driving an 18 wheeler, or a motorcycle… all are vehicles, none drive the same.

  94. Devin Hill says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    +Thomas Wrobel​ I'm for training but you can't train for safety like this. It's common sense and being gun smart. If I get training and as qualified in firearms as an officer, could I carry as he does?

  95. raoul duke says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    +Paul Spoerry it always seems weird to me people that conceal don't always have it on their person in a proper holster at all times.

  96. Devin Hill says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    +Thomas Wrobel and I'm not saying guns are not deadly. I'm saying things we own and use daily, as some people carry daily, are more deadly than a firearm and kill more people than a firearm. I carry a one daily and drive daily, yet driving kills more people than when people carry loaded guns in public. My point being loaded firearms in public is not deadly at all because these situations are very very rare.

  97. Thomas Wrobel says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    +Devin Hill Again, you have training to use a car. Its the law in every state. Its not about other things not being deadly, its that nothing (or at least nothing I can think of) is as easily get hold of and kill as a gun.
    Almost everything else as deadly is either harder to get hold of, or cant kill someone as quick or easily.
    Would you be happy to be on a road with untrained drivers? Whys walking down a street with untrained gun-owners different?

  98. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    Ban all guns!!!!….For the grader goood!!!

  99. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    +Matthew MadiganAny idiot that supports abortion/liberalism/atheism have immediately lost credibility with me with their phony concern with this case.

  100. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    +Matthew MadiganBy the way,the mother and child are white.

    Democrat concern with this case:zero

  101. Paul Spoerry says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    +Devin Hill "If I get training and as qualified in firearms as an officer, could I carry as he does?" Well, considering police officers are trained, and can and DO carry (I never went to dinner with my dad, a cop, where he had less than two fire arms on his person) I suppose you could. Cops also get continuous training and are issued specific types of firearms. The department decides which hand gun the department will carry, they standardize on that, and everyone carries and trains with that one side-arm.

    As +Thomas Wrobel points out, and I did as well, there is training for a vehicle and licenses for different types of vehicles. That's not the case with a CCW in most states… one license, any hand gun is typical. I know I know, CCW requires training. But let's be realistic here. Most states issue a CCW after one day of training. ONE.DAY.OF.TRAINING. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States#Training_requirements). Compare that to the method most go through to get a drivers license (being a teen getting a license) you have to get a permit, drive with a licensed driver for a period of time (which BTW at least here in Missouri has been extended so it takes longer), pass a written and supervised test, etc. It's differs in many states for non-teen drivers but many states require some form of behind-the-wheel supervision for new drivers of all ages. http://www.dmv.org/drivers-training.php

  102. Devin Hill says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    +Paul Spoerry​ really it was very easy to get a license. Get a permit for a bit, take driving test and bam, license. It's really not as difficult to get a license as a gun permit. If anything its harder to obtain a permit in most states. If it was the same as getting a drivers license as a gun permit I wouldn't argue. I'd even retrain every 3 months because I just like shooting and training si much. But to put those kinds of hurdles on people is infringement of their 2a. If your a lawful citizen under the 2a you have the right to bear arms. I'm not against training but politicians will take it to far and to many fees may infringe on poorer people's ability to bear arms.

  103. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    +Grandmaster S.DeGonI have to question whether the article is even true and not deceit.

    The idiots are pro-abortion,anti-gun and anti-white…them posting an article on a white child shooting their white mother doesn't add up.

  104. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    Progressives=anti-white

    The idiots should be celebrating this incident….hmmm.

  105. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    The 2nd Amendment stands idiots.

    Take your phony concern for a white child and mother elsewhere.

  106. Malcolm Campbell says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    Funny story,

  107. Malcolm Campbell says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    +David Gary idiots are the ones who are scared.

  108. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    +Malcolm CampbellIt's only funny due to idiots not sticking to their anti-white agenda…now that's the funny part.

  109. Keri Lightle says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    I would never recommend carrying in a purse. That alone has always seemed "unsafe" to me. Even the purses that are designed for it–most criminals victimizing a woman will go after her purse. Then what would she do? On the other hand the criminal doesn't know how to react to a woman "grabbing" at herself (drawing her firearm).

  110. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    +Malcolm CampbellMany do have a morbid fear of guns.

  111. Malcolm Campbell says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    +David Gary You need a hug.

  112. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    +Keri LightleNeither do I

    Purses are not for storing guns…the irresponsible "mother" certainly votes Democrat because she is certainly no conservative.

  113. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    +Malcolm CampbellAlready done

  114. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    Either use a holster or any other container..or keep the gun in your house or car.

    This is definitely the stupidity of a "liberal."

  115. Malcolm Campbell says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    +David Gary idk, i say stupidity is an "American" problem. You might think your different. But your not.

  116. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    +Malcolm CampbellNo,it's a Democrat problem

    We Christian conservatives are well educated with the responsibility and science of owning a gun.

  117. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    +Malcolm CampbellIdiots using this as an excuse to stop gun rights will only bring the oppose.

  118. Lee Moore says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    A safety switch would not have prevented this tragedy. Having the good sense to not have a loaded, cocked, and ready-to-fire handgun tumbling loosely inside an open purse is the only thing that would have prevented it.

  119. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    +Malcolm CampbellI don't value any idiot's opinion on guns when they vote Democrat.

    100% ignorance

  120. Malcolm Campbell says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    +David Gary Christian Conservatives are no different from isis, Democrates, Nazi's, Zionist Jews, Romans, etcc.

  121. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    +Malcolm CampbellActually,we are extremely different from those idiots.

    Among other reasons,we don't support gay marriage/being gay,abortion or anything else against God and Jesus Christ.

    While your opinion is noted,it is also stupid to the core.

  122. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    +Malcolm CampbellWe also don't support being "Jews"

    Either you're a follower of Jesus Christ(Christian) or you're a proud buffoon.

  123. Daniel Ackerman says

    December 31, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    so sad she should have had the safety on!

  124. David Gary says

    December 31, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    +Malcolm CampbellThere is only one Jew and that is Jesus Christ.

    Anyone else that claims the title is a fraud and will be judged.

  125. angad Brar says

    December 31, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    Holy shit

  126. Lou sandoval says

    December 31, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Gary, Al Sharpton comes to mind now? Next blame Obama?

  127. Michael Miller says

    December 31, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    It is a tragedy, but the description is wrong.

    The below applies to all the accidental shootings that happened while the accidental shooter had h{is,er} hand inside the trigger guard and their finger on the trigger.

    The proper description for this and all my "applies to" above is that the toddler reached into the purse, grabbed the gun, pulled the trigger, and then the gun went off.

    A true accidental shooting or discharge occurs when the firearm goes off without someone pulling the trigger. That has actually happened with a defective firearm or where a shooter's clothing, example cords with wooden or metal balls on the end of the cords, got stuck inside the trigger guard.

    One more thing. If the hammer was cocked, the trigger pull weight is significantly reduced (hair trigger), making it easy for anyone to unintentionally pull the trigger. If the hammer is down, on must handguns, then it is more difficult to unintentionally pull the trigger.

  128. Flecktarn Falkenzz says

    December 31, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    It wasn't CC's fault. The woman left a loaded and cocked pistol in an open purse, well in reach of the child. No laws would have stopped it. Stop standing on her grave and using this tradgey as a way of promoting your anti gun views. Your party stood on the graves of the dead kids from Newton, and they will try to do the same here.

    Thankfully, people like you are now in the minority. According to recent polls, the majority of Americans today are pro-gun.

  129. Daniel Ackerman says

    December 31, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    ya they will try to ban all gun's now under the Dec25 un gun control Legisiation all over the world so hied your gun's and crates of ammo !

  130. Jim Gadsden says

    December 31, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    +Lee Moore It was a revolver. Come on! It was cocked, locked and ready to rock. We are not being told the whole story.
    The bitch was stupid and Darwin's theory holds true.

  131. Lee Moore says

    December 31, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    +Jim Gadsden I assumed it was an auto since no 2 year-old, that I have ever known, could ever pull a double action trigger. Because of the heavier trigger pull in most cases, a revolver in the purse is generally not as dangerous as a Glock (for example) with a loaded chamber. Given it was a 29 year-old woman, it could have been a Jennings, a Lorcin, or some other piece of shit. Not to pick on Glocks, but they and other modern autos tend to have fairly light triggers (that could conceivably be pulled by a 2 year-old). I carry mine with one in the pipe, but I use the "clearing barrel" method of sidearm handling I learned in the military.

  132. Bryan Headrick says

    December 31, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    +David Gary "We Christian conservatives are well educated…" Okay, now I know you're trolling

  133. matt fowler says

    December 31, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    I'm surprised that the police didn't hand cuff the 2 year old, escorts him to the police car and take him to jail to scare them straight.

  134. Jim Gadsden says

    December 31, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    +Lee Moore Have you researched the story?

  135. Jim Gadsden says

    December 31, 2014 at 5:10 pm

    +Lee Moore​ That's what assumed also. I'm finding myself wrong! EDIT.
    Am I finding myself wrong?

  136. paul nunya says

    December 31, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    lesson learned dont chamber a round

  137. viet vetjd says

    December 31, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    NRA right.

  138. viet vetjd says

    December 31, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    You carry you have a round chambered. THINK SAFETY. GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

  139. Jd Vig says

    December 31, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    +paul nunya no if you have a gun on you a round should always be chambered an unloaded gun is as good as carrying a rock in your pocket! If you like to blame something blame not carrying the gun correctly!! A purse full of junk and a loaded weapon dont mix anything at that point can make the gun go off.

  140. Jim Gadsden says

    December 31, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    +Jd Vig You put a fully loaded revolver with the hammer pulled back, put it in your purse. Put it beside your two year old child.
    Lets see what happens.
    Oh we did!

  141. Xavier James says

    December 31, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    #stupid hoe

  142. Jd Vig says

    December 31, 2014 at 6:17 pm

    +Jim Gadsden ware did you get revolver from reading just a story we are made to read is not always 100% correct. Not to mention it stated, causing the gun to go off, so again a gun in a purse full of junk dosent mix something was most likely inside the trigger guard when the child reached in it made the gun go off chances are the childs finger was never on the trigger! Could have bern keys a makeup pencil anything small enough to wedge between the trigger and guard.

  143. Daniel Ackerman says

    December 31, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    yep!

  144. Jim Gadsden says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    +Jd Vig I've been following this story. Bottom line, a gun was in a purse, there was a cartridge in the chamber, a two year old pulled the trigger and killed the mother. I've been led to believe it was a revolver, I could be wrong, it really doesn't matter.
    This is a simple case of Darwin's theory being correct! Thankfully no innocents were injured!

  145. Raymond Smart says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    never put a revolver down with the hammer cocked.

  146. Daniel Ackerman says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    safety on safety on safety on !

  147. John Rutene says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    😮

  148. Jim Gadsden says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    +Raymond Smart Any gun! Not just revolvers.

  149. Jim Gadsden says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    +Raymond Smart Remember, it was a two year old that pulled the trigger!

  150. dale brooks says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    My sympathy goes out to the families involved. The last attention they need is the press they will receive from the anti gun crowd.And Jim you shouldn't confuse Darwinism with poor firearm handling practices. A two year old is about as innocent as anybody can be that willingly walks through the doors of a "wallyworld" no mater what state it is in.

  151. Lee Moore says

    December 31, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    +Jim Gadsden I have not researched the story. I just read it. I would need to see the police report before I would believe that anyone would be dumb enough to cock the hammer on a loaded revolver and let it bump around inside a purse. It is much more believable that she would have had a Glock 26 or maybe a cheap, blow-back .380 with one in the pipe, given the age of the child.

  152. Daniel Ackerman says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    ya rilly

  153. Jim Gadsden says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    +dale brooks Poor firearm handling practices kind of goes hand in hand with stupidly. I call it the Darwin effect. You know, survival of the fittest. It was in no way the two year olds fault. The mother did not survive because of poor firearm handling practices/stupidly.
    Hence the Darwin effect!

  154. Josh Bahr says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:13 pm

    A safety would've saved her life she probably had a glock with no safety on it I don't know exact details though

  155. Lee Moore says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    No, external safety levers are useless. The only thing that would have saved this woman is if she had been responsible enough and had enough common sense to not leave a loaded and cocked gun LOOSE in her purse. A holster and positive control of the firearm is the only thing that would have made this outcome impossible.

  156. Josh Bahr says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    A kid can't pull a trigger if they don't know how to use a safety

  157. Lee Moore says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    True, but the mom was dumb enough to leave the gun loose in the purse. What makes you think she would have been smart enough to engage the safety?

  158. Lee Moore says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    The problem is not a lack of an external safety. The problem is ONLY negligence and misuse of a loaded firearm.

  159. Josh Bahr says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    +Lee Moore neither can any one else if they some how end up with your gun most people assume now their aren't safetys on most hand guns

  160. Lee Moore says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    +Josh Bahr there are indeed safety devices on most handguns. A Glock will not fire unless the trigger is pressed fully to the rear. An XD is the same, but also has to have its grip safety disengaged. Most Sigs have an external safety. All 1911s have external safety levers and grip safeties.

  161. Lee Moore says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    Lorcins and similar have external safety levers, but they must be engaged in order to work. DA Revolvers don't have a safety lever, but they do usually have a stout double-action trigger pull.

  162. Jim Gadsden says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    +Josh Bahr The way she had her gun, had she just dropped her purse the gun could have discharged.
    This was a two year old toddler, not even a kid yet, just past baby stage.
    Think how big and how strong a two year olds hands are.
    No way this child discharged this weapon without it being cocked, locked and ready to rock!

  163. Daniel Ackerman says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    yep! my dad was a gun smith i back that!

  164. Lee Moore says

    December 31, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    It is terrible and unfortunate,especially for the children, but I think she was lucky to have been the one killed because of her own negligence.

  165. Daniel Ackerman says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    ya it cold have bin the kid! but the gun had to be cocked the hamer spring is to have on a revolver for a 2 year old to pull the triger with out help !

  166. Bryan Headrick says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    +Jim Gadsden she already reproduced, so Darwin failed us

  167. Zane Endicott says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    +David Gary greater*

  168. Zane Endicott says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:33 pm

    +David Gary your the reason us republicans have a bad name

  169. Jerrod Metropulos says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    +David Gary​, wow, the stupid crap you're spewing! I'm pro gun, pro abortion, mostly libertarian, and an atheist. Swallow that. Oh, and white, and transgender. Let's hear some hate from you.

  170. Zane Endicott says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    +Jerrod Metropulos ooo kill em.

  171. Chris Conger says

    December 31, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    Hey +Natasha​ don't bother getting involved here, but remember the other woman? Read through this.

  172. Rin Okumura says

    December 31, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    Sad

  173. Jd Vig says

    January 1, 2015 at 12:58 am

    Lets stop talking about all this if the safty was on shit. I do agree truly bad gun handling practices on the mother! SAFETY'S ARE NOT FOOL PROOF guns will fire with the so called safty on lets stop saying if the safty was on. Defensive hand guns for self defense do not come with a safty there made to point and shoot with no bells and whistles!!! In the article it stated a small caliber a 380 or smaller, normally dont have safety's. Again were going on an article that was written for the public to read most of the article is bullshit except some one dieing due to being careless!!!!!

  174. Jim Gadsden says

    January 1, 2015 at 4:55 am

    +Chris Oropeza​ That would suck! In Florida the only reason you need to get a conceal and carry permit, is to want one.
    You get the packet, fill out the paperwork, send it to Tallahassee, and wait. About six weeks later you'll get a card that looks something like a drivers license. Now you can legally conceal and carry.

  175. Jim Gadsden says

    January 1, 2015 at 4:58 am

    +Bryan Headrick No more reproduction for her. So Darwin has not failed us.

  176. Joe Dambrosio says

    January 1, 2015 at 6:43 am

    Um concealed means on ones person and not in a dam purse

  177. Clay Bradshaw says

    January 1, 2015 at 7:53 am

    +Joe Dambrosio
    Wrong, concealed technically means hidden.
    If it cannot be seen, it is hidden.
    The news article should read, "Toddler reaches into purse, finds gun and pulls trigger, killing Mom"
    They make it sound like the gun has a mind of it's own.
    Typical gun grabber propaganda

  178. Brenda Eastman says

    January 1, 2015 at 8:06 am

    Well it had to of been loaded in the purse really sad but it should not have been loaded

  179. Clay Bradshaw says

    January 1, 2015 at 8:16 am

    …..did you REALLY just type that?!
    WHY would someone carry an unloaded gun?

  180. Brenda Eastman says

    January 1, 2015 at 8:18 am

    Well what I meant was it should not have been cocked.

  181. Clay Bradshaw says

    January 1, 2015 at 8:34 am

    Depends on what type of pistol it was.
    Most have a safety, which should have been engaged.
    Glocks, that's a different story. They have "safety" but they are different.

  182. Byron Henry says

    January 1, 2015 at 8:51 am

    Yes because one case of one kid getting ahold of the moms gun, because she was dumb enough to let her kid get in the first place, completely outweighs the thousands of other cases where rapes, robberies, and even murders have been stopped or prevented because conceal and carry is a thing.

    Your logic is flawless.

  183. Greg S says

    January 1, 2015 at 9:33 am

    IM SORRY. THIS IS VERY SAD BUT SOME PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE GUNS. THIS WOMAN WAS NOT A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER. IT IS HER FAULT THIS HAPPENED. OTHER GUN OWNERS SHOULD NOT BE PENALIZED FOR THE ACTIONS OF A TINY MINISCULE PORTION OF PEOPLE WHO ACT IRRESPONSIBLY.

  184. M4x P0wer says

    January 1, 2015 at 10:15 am

    +Greg S
    i agree, they like to take very rare stories like when rifles are involved to pass the "assault rifle ban" and explain how these weapons are so horrible, but they leave out the fact that they are responsible for less than 1% of gun deaths. propaganda that has worked in many countrys but now people know these facts and call them out when they use the same old tricks that worked in many other countries.

    responsible people should not be punished for others, no matter how sad or how big of a story is, we need to look at the rights we were promised instead, and call out propaganda when recycled.

  185. Elvis J Mendez says

    January 1, 2015 at 10:18 am

    This is so messed up. Dang

  186. M4x P0wer says

    January 1, 2015 at 10:23 am

    +Ender Shot
    a knife is a bad weapon for defense when almost everyone else owns a gun because it is their right, knives are also not very good for defense if your a small women being attacked by a large man, one example of many. you need to get very close and know how to use it, without it being took from you, or without being shot before even making the blade close to the bad guy. horrible choice, not many people are ready for knife battle to be blunt.

  187. Greg S says

    January 1, 2015 at 10:45 am

    +M4x P0wer +1

  188. Greg S says

    January 1, 2015 at 10:45 am

    +Byron Henry +1

  189. M4x P0wer says

    January 1, 2015 at 11:12 am

    +Paul Spoerry first i'm glad so many are admitting how horrible this story is, i am more happy that people realize that when horrible things happen we do not loose our rights. i hope people do learn from this, but after watching so much tyt it is refreshing no to see everyone exploiting this incident and instead talking about how it could have been avoided. plus not allowing the propaganda like tyt reports to spread to rational thinkers. its ok to feel bad, but support that this country clearly promises us, in our very second rule, and has been spoke greatly about not being fooled into allowing this second right to be exploited and eventually removed like in most countries. they used the same methods for these countrys and i am happy people see through them finally. good job posters, not used to seeing so much common sense and respect for a sad loss.

  190. Jerrod Metropulos says

    January 1, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    +Jd Vig​ you obviously have no idea how a gun works. Lmao, guns will fire with the do called safety on. Um, the ENTIRE purpose of a safety is to make the gun not fire. I have several small caliber, and sub compact handguns with safeties that fully function.

  191. Greg S says

    January 1, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    how do I unsubscribe? this is blowing up my email with redundant chatter. .

  192. Will Freely says

    January 1, 2015 at 3:50 pm

    +Greg S PLAYING THE RESULTS

  193. Jeff Fox says

    January 1, 2015 at 5:32 pm

    +Jim Gadsden I don't believe the type of weapon has been released. If it was a revolver, how did/would they (investigator) know the hammer was cocked inside the purse. If it was a revolver (with a hammer), how do we know she carried it cocked? It could be possessible the hammer snagged on something in the purse.

    My point is there is way to many unknowns at this point. It is defenitly a tragic situation. I do think there are some safety points that can still be made. When carrying concealed, you must always maintain control. If using a purse, it should be kept on your person/in your control. Safeties are good but not all firearms have them (revolvers especially) and they are not fullproof.

  194. Jim Gadsden says

    January 1, 2015 at 6:41 pm

    +Jeff Fox An NBC news report said it was a 9mm. It didn't say if it was a revolver or not. I'm not sure were I got the idea it was a revolver. It also said the purse was made for conceal and carry.
    What ever type of

  195. Jim Gadsden says

    January 1, 2015 at 6:47 pm

    +Jeff Fox What ever type of weapon it was, a two year old discharged it and shot his mother in the head.
    Thàt means it was cocked locked and ready to rock. Remember how big and strong and two year olds hands are.

  196. chris shofner says

    January 1, 2015 at 9:11 pm

    For 1 she Shouldn't have had it in her purse,my theory for instance if something had occurred in the store, she could have save seconds and many lifes if she was carrying it on her body , possibility? she would be here today, for note recommendation carry a LCP 9mm on u ,is concealed to me… (she will be missed protecting her child and others bad move though)

  197. chris shofner says

    January 1, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    Your right Greg carelessness, hard lesson learned

  198. Robert Chambers says

    January 1, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    Firearms are definitely things not to be negligent with.

  199. Stuart Mallett says

    January 2, 2015 at 9:25 am

    If you own a firearm it should be mandatory that you take safety training, so you won't be stupid enough to walk around with a loaded firearm with the safety off, and one up the chamber. Of course this could be a case of an overly smart toddler who didn't like the fact that mom wouldn't get Pop Tarts.

  200. Jim Gadsden says

    January 2, 2015 at 9:37 am

    +Stuart Mallett​ I googled annual firearm fatalities statistics. From 1998 – 2012 there were an average of about 800 accidental fatalities by firearms per year. Considering there are 320,000,000 people with millions and millions and millions of guns. Thats not a bad safety record.
    Now lets talk about automobiles.
    I like the pop tart theory.

  201. Paul Spoerry says

    January 2, 2015 at 11:08 am

    +David Gary I know good Christians, and you make them look bad. Also, Christianity and being a Republican don't go hand in hand. I know many Christians who are Democrats. When you have a myopic one sided, ignorant view of the world you and spew it all over the place you just come off looking like an idiot.

    +Jim Gadsden It's not a one to one, or even logical, comparison. In most states to obtain a CCW you're required to take a one day class and you can carry any handgun. In all states for teens you have to drive on a permit for a long time (longer now than when I was a teen), take a written and driving test, etc. Many states are doing the same for adults getting a first time license. Additionally, getting your driver's license on a prius doesn't mean you can drive an 18 wheeler or motorcycle. You can get a CCW with a pea shooter 9mm yet carry a big ass .45 like Dirty Harry. Not remotely the same handling on the two. If you get a CDL to drive a big rig, or even to be a cabbie, you can be drug tested at any time and have it revoked (arguments for or against aren't really the point here). Not so for a CCW. Then there is the sticky thorn of while cars can kill, they aren't designed to do so whereas a firearms design is to kill (not counting hunting rifles, etc that's different and also harder to conceal). And yes I know there are stats that show vehicles are now dangerous than a concealed firearm, to which I would simply reply that vehicles, licenses, registration, etc are all highly regulated. I also know many would say the point of a firearm isn't too kill but deter. To which I would simply ask then why do they need bullets? Point being… The car to gun argument is not a one to one and isn't useful for the discussion.

  202. Lee Moore says

    January 2, 2015 at 11:13 am

    If you read the other follow-up stories, it sounds like the woman was indeed a responsible gun owner. She just made the mistake of assuming a hidden compartment in her purse would not be found by her 2-year-old. She also made the mistake that thousands of women across the country make when concealed carrying; she carried off her body in a purse designed for purse carry. Her husband had purchased this purse for her for Christmas. Sad.

  203. T. Bridges says

    January 2, 2015 at 11:45 am

    Damn…That's the most gangster shit ever.

  204. Jim Gadsden says

    January 2, 2015 at 12:24 pm

    +Paul Spoerry I am a retired truck driver, (25 years) you forgot about the regular required physical. You don't need to tell me about operating a commercial vehicle conducting inter or intra state commerce.
    I am glad I chose a state to
    live were they don't keep track of my guns.
    None of their business or yours!

  205. Paul Spoerry says

    January 2, 2015 at 2:03 pm

    +Jim Gadsden Thanks for confirming the additional legal requirements for truck drivers and helping to make my point.

  206. Jim Gadsden says

    January 2, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    +Paul Spoerry There are a lot more legal requirements for truck drivers.
    I don't see how I am helping you to make your point?
    My point is if you want to save lives your efforts might be better spent elsewhere.
    Mabie swimming pools or boats or rv's.

  207. Jim Gadsden says

    January 2, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    +Paul Spoerry Here is another one you can explore. All the people that die in hospitals because of mistakes made by hospital staff.

  208. Jim Gadsden says

    January 2, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    +Paul Spoerry OPPS!

  209. Paul Spoerry says

    January 2, 2015 at 4:04 pm

    +Jim Gadsden Yes, there are more legal requirements. Exactly what I was saying.

  210. Jim Gadsden says

    January 2, 2015 at 4:07 pm

    +Paul Spoerry As far as gun control. We have enough legal requirements!
    I got an idea! Lets enforce the ones we already have!

  211. Thomas Wrobel says

    January 2, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    +Jim Gadsden How do you enforce laws requiring X Y and Z when they an be by-passed by someone (completely legally) selling privately person to person?

  212. Jim Gadsden says

    January 2, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    +Thomas Wrobel Where I live, if I have a gun and I want to sell it to you in my house, that is perfectly legal.
    There are limits to how many. If I want to exceed these limits then I need to get a dealers license and keep records.
    What your talking about is not the problem here.
    If you take the total number of gun related fatalities, take out the guns that are already illegal, in the big picture the number is pretty insignificant.
    I don't want the government or you knowing about my guns.

  213. Jim Gadsden says

    January 2, 2015 at 4:54 pm

    +Thomas Wrobel In Florida, Florida does not keep track of my guns.

  214. Paul Spoerry says

    January 2, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    "if I have a gun and I want to sell it to you in my house, that is perfectly legal. There are limits to how many. If I want to exceed these limits then I need to get a dealers license and keep records." Yeah see that's fucking stupid. Plain and simple. How does someone know they're buying a legal gun? They don't? How do you track which are bought and sold legally when you have no control over them changing hands? You don't.

    Why are you afraid of the government knowing you have guns? They know if you have a boat, a car, etc. I mean that sounds shady as fuck. And if you seriously go off on the "in case I gotta rise up" I'll just remind you that they have tanks, bombers, the largest military in the world, etc and you owning any level of firearms ain't gunna do shit.

  215. Jim Gadsden says

    January 2, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    +Paul Spoerry​ What you are going off on is not the problem.
    What you are talking about is a criminal selling another criminal a gun that is already illegal. Go after that all you want.
    I got an idea, why don't you make heroin illegal, oh it already is. See how that works.
    Regulate guns up the wazoo, then only criminals have guns.
    It's already easier for me to get an illegal gun than a legal one.
    The new class of criminal, the American Gun Owner.

  216. Thomas Wrobel says

    January 2, 2015 at 5:31 pm

    +Jim Gadsden By that logic we should let anyone sale pharmaceutical drugs.
    After all, people selling dodgy drugs to eachother would already be criminals, therefore its pointless to be illegal!
    Regulating drugs up the wazoo, then only criminals have pharmaceutical drugs!

    Wait a mo…no..they dont. Because people can legally buy them from people that know what they are doing, upto sensible limits depending on their need.
    Because, you know, they can kill. Just you mind, unlike some things that can kill people around you too.

  217. Paul Spoerry says

    January 2, 2015 at 5:39 pm

    +Jim Gadsden Maybe you came in late, or just didn't read the comment, or just don't get it… I dunno. I don't have issue with people owning guns. I do have issue with CCW is implemented in most states. I do have issue with people just being able to sell firearms unregulated in their home, craigslist, Facebook, whatever.

    And as +Thomas Wrobel just nailed on the head… the logic of your argument is utterly flawed.

  218. Jim Gadsden says

    January 2, 2015 at 5:40 pm

    +Thomas Wrobel Are you talking about hillbilly heroin.
    I live in the pain management capital of the USA.
    They have actually slowed the doctors prescribing pharmaceuticals to anyone that walks in the door. Hence the rise in heroin.

  219. Morgen Unimuke says

    January 2, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    She shoulda used an ankle holster. So sad for toddler and family :'(

  220. Jim Gadsden says

    January 2, 2015 at 7:07 pm

    +Paul Spoerry I personality don't care what you have an issue with!
    Just don't try to take my life or my property, we will be fine.
    I can defend both! And don't try to take my right to do that!

  221. Paul Spoerry says

    January 4, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    +Jim Gadsden Of course you care… or you wouldn't continue to come back here commenting.

    rolling my eyes at you

  222. Jim Gadsden says

    January 4, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    +Paul Spoerry Gun sales are at record highs, record number of conceal and carry permits issued, violent crime down.
    Humm!

  223. Paul Spoerry says

    January 5, 2015 at 1:08 pm

    +Jim Gadsden Considering you made the argument that gun sales within your home to another person cannot be tracked, and that you don't want the government knowing how many guns you have, how exactly are you jumping to the conclusion that there guns are the reason for violent less crime? Oh and add in the fact that in the mid-90s, the NRA helped push through legislation preventing the (CDC) from funding any scientific research that "may be used to advocate or promote gun control." and how again are you making this conclusion? Cite your source.

  224. Jim Gadsden says

    January 5, 2015 at 1:59 pm

    +Paul Spoerry I'm not jumping to any conclusions.
    Just saying more guns, more legally concealed weapons, laws that don't require us to retreat in the face of danger. Less crime.
    That with the fact that the places with the most gun violence have the most gun control. A lot of coincidences.
    Humm, just wondering.

  225. Paul Spoerry says

    January 5, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    +Jim Gadsden Again, cite your source. Otherwise you're just word vomiting on the Internet.

  226. Jim Gadsden says

    January 5, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    +Paul Spoerry No real sources. Just information I've absorbed.
    Chicago and LA are the best examples of high gun violence and aggressive gun control. Florida would be an example of more guns less crime. Not saying there hasn't been mistakes. But I attribute those to over zealous prosecution and goofy judges. Zimmerman/Martin comes to mind.
    Give me a source that shows aggressive gun control has reduced crime.

  227. Paul Spoerry says

    January 6, 2015 at 6:24 am

    +Jim Gadsden Information you've absorbed doesn't really count as a source. Also, when YOU make a claim the onus isn't on someone else to disprove you.

    But whatever….
    * Harvard Injury Control Research Center – "Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide." http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/ (2004)

    * Stanford research reaffirms that right-to-carry gun laws are connected with an increase in violent crime. This debunks – with the latest empirical evidence – earlier claims that more guns actually lead to less crime. http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/november/donohue-guns-study-111414.html (2014)

    * The largest study of gun violence in the United States…
    Results: Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio = 1.009; 95% confidence interval = 1.004, 1.014). This model indicated that for each percentage point increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%.
    Conclusions: We observed a robust correlation between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates. Although we could not determine causation, we found that states with higher rates of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides. http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409?journalCode=ajph (2013)

    Much of this idea that everybody packing heat is safer was pushed after More Guns, Less Crime came out, a book by John Lott that says violent crime rates go down when states pass "shall issue" concealed carry laws. However, after a 2010 re-examination of Lott's work and the NRC's previous analysis of his work, as well as six years of additional data, found that "… Overall, the most consistent, albeit not uniform, finding to emerge from the array of models is that aggravated assault rises when RTC laws are adopted. For every other crime category, there is little or no indication of any consistent RTC impact on crime." – The United States National Research Council. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1632599 (2010). There was of course those who supported Lot's conclusions. Unfortunately for them "…all except one were published before coding and aggregation flaws of Lott's datasets came to light". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime#Support

  228. sunkaku says

    January 6, 2015 at 10:27 am

    Actually it's nimrods like you who support the continued restriction of our 2nd Ammt rights that cause unfortunate situations like this,and I would ad what a scumbag you are for using tragedies like this to make a political point in like fashion to your shithead president numbnuts did in every tragedy he could with the only exceptions being the hundreds of violent gun deaths of blacks in his home of Chicago and the deaths of Border Patrol agent Brian Terri as a result of the Obama gun running scheme Fast and Furious. Hmm what about you , did you make any posts on those issues Mr.concerned citizen ? In summary you are happy to comment on the tragedies that suit your political ideologies but really don't care about people in general. That makes you a worthless hypocrite like most antI-American detritus libtards. This goes out to Simon Cousins also. You coward! Where were you when the NRA was arming blacks in the South to defend themselves? Filthy low life!

  229. Paul Spoerry says

    January 6, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    I scanned your post cuz… well… it looked like BS. And that was confirmed when I saw that NRA arming blacks in the South. You DO realize that NRA is a fundamentally different one than is in existence now right? It's called history man, go read up on it.

  230. Thomas Wrobel says

    January 6, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    "who support the continued restriction of our 2nd Ammt rights that cause unfortunate situations like this"

    Your right, too many gun restrictions angered the toddler so much they reached for the gun.

  231. Jim Gadsden says

    January 7, 2015 at 7:38 pm

    +Paul Spoerry Yea, bla bla bla. I'd like to see a study done were if we armed the hardworking law abiding citizens in the killing fields of Chicago were guns are illegal, what would happen.
    The people at Harvard and Stanford have no common sense and don't live in the real world!

  232. sunkaku says

    January 7, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    +Thomas Wrobel are you still arguing the gun did it? LOL! Too funny.

  233. Paul Spoerry says

    January 7, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    When handed data compiled and analyzed from several of our countries best schools it's just met with "nuh-uh". Sorry if you FEEL that's not how it should be, but unless you can show credible studying contradicting it you're just flapping your gums. Seriously, with a "common sense" response like that +Jim Gadsden you shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm.

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