* They went out of their way to explain how Josh wasn’t a pedophile because he missed the age cutoff (in the legal definition of the word) by a couple of years. So relax, everybody.
* The Duggars think people are after them in part because they’re Christians.
* They think the bigger story here is how their private police records were exposed to the public, and how the public was never supposed to see them… not how one of their kids touched several of his sisters on their breasts and vaginas.
* They think their daughters have been “victimized more” by the press than anything Josh Duggar did to them.
* They think because some of the crimes happened while their girls were sleeping and not fully aware of what was happening, it’s not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be.
* They minimized what their own daughters went through to defend their son.
* They pointed out that this has happened in other families, too, as if that makes it okay.
* Michelle Duggar stands by her comments about transgender people being more of a danger to children because “I think that protecting young girls and not allowing young men and men in general to go into a girls’ locker room is just common sense.”
src: http://goo.gl/bLEFpS
Babafofama
If they say heart one more time I may have an urge to hit them with my car. I have never witnessed ignorance to this degree. THEIR OWN BABIES!!!!
A friend of mine is a retired NYC cop–she was on sex crime detail for ten years and she said she NEVER met a gay guy who was a pedophile…
And they say the LGBT community has a broken moral compass… jeesh. This shit is sick.
+Paul Spoerry If the person is a minor and the age difference is at least 5 years, which in this case it was, then Josh does qualify as a pedophile.
To be clear… I'm not saying he's not a pedophile… they are.
+Paul Spoerry I was just adding to what you already posted. Josh is absolutely a pedophile and if Jim Bob is a man of his word, Josh should be put to death. Jim Bob is on record saying that is how people who commit the crimes Josh did should be punished.
+Paul Spoerry Bottom line: the boy was left to raise his siblings so his self-righteous parent could fornicate and breed more babies. He was never encouraged to have a "normal" social life with girls his own age. They did not protect their babies like we generally do, here in the real world. When you are aware of your children, when you spend time trying to understand what they need, you can actually see problems and where they are leading. Breeding a house load of kids is not the same as raising a family of well adjusted humans.
+Paul Spoerry Most pedophiles, from what I understand, are people who relate sexually with children because they're sexually repressed and immature in how they envision sex. Bingo for the Duggar boy. Can't imagine a more confusing environment: "don't even hug till marriage" while Mom and Dad must be constantly humping to breed more babies. I love the way Fox is milking this story for any pennies left on the table. Hypocrites swarming together always makes me laugh.
Man, what Kind of world is this?
You know, in Argentina a sex offender was freed from the charges because the six year old he molested was "gay"!
Someone shoot me, plz!
They are all in some kind of ass backwards religious cult bubble. It all makes sense now why the family insisted on chaperons at all times. No one was allowed to be left alone with anyone else of the opposite sex.
+Paul Spoerry ''“I think that protecting young girls and not allowing young men and men in general to go into a girls’ locker room is just common sense.'' that is common sense yea, go fuck a tranny you dirty pig.
+Carlo Delano whoa wtf is your problem?
I deleted the comment +nyce611. Dude had zero posts… hate filled trolling is one thing, hate filled trolling if you're not even active here probably means I shouldn't waste my time, or it was a chicken-shit who created an account just to say that.
+nyce611 men dont belong in females toilet/changing rooms. but crazy faggots think otherwise
+Paul Spoerry keep lying to yourself retard
Just reported +Carlo Delano. He will probably need to create another fake account.
+Carlo Delano Hate speech should and will not be tolerated. Learn how to express yourself like a mature adult.
+Paul Spoerry Yea I reported him too. Sorry to say unless he gets an IP ban he will return. I agree that expressing a hateful position in and of itself should be allowed but if you're doing that just to be hateful then you should be banned
Thanks for the backup +nyce611 and +Steve A.! If there is context or a position stated I'm pretty cool with an expression that I completely disagree with. If it's just somebody dropping a one-line hate-filled comment… fuck them. They're idiots.
As for +Carlo Delano it's likely that he harbors deeply seeded homosexual tendencies that he's unwilling to face and that's why he's acting out like a child.
It's been scientifically shown that homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
"The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
+Paul Spoerry nonsense, and i dont hate you srry that i overreacted.
+Paul Spoerry agreed, i think cps should check and make sure those girls are actually alright
We're all messed up people. That's the whole point of needing a Savior.
+Jonestown im not, im Perfect .
+Jonestown Speak for yourself. Savior not required over here… then again I don't molest little kids or try to hide when someone does.
+Paul Spoerry If they tried to hide it you wouldn't know about it. The fact that there was a police incident report that got leaked (which is a crime btw) is proof that they didn't try to hide it and is also the only reason that any of us know about it.
+nyce611 they tried to hide it
+Paul Spoerry The fact he admitted it, means his conscience kicked in. To me, this is not the same thing as someone who is 30 or 60 luring young girls over the internet to rape them. However, if Josh does not realize the seriousness of this he could have become one of those people. Of course, he needs help, but he is not what I would call a pedophile. He was in his teens, not 30 years old. You can't even drink alcohol until 21. I think this is more of a media storm, because Americans have not much better to do with their time than watch Jenner get a sex change, and watch odd reality TV shows where odd things like this occur.
+Godrules He was a 15 year old molesting a 5 year old. That makes him a pedophile. Deal with it. And stop trying to blame any of this on "the media". The media didn't cause Josh to molest 5 people. Maybe if the media continues to do its job, we may just find out that he has never stopped molesting little girls. And it's a "media storm", because the entire family pushes their version of Christian morality onto people, a morality that many of us want nothing to do with. Especially now, knowing that the parents did everything in their power to cover the entire thing up. Which makes them disgusting hypocrites.
+nyce611 They waited 16 months to report it. THEY could have faced up to six years in prison for their actions and been charged with Permitting Abuse of a Minor (Arkansas Code 5-27-221); but they waited until the statue of limitation expired on that.
+Godrules So by your measure a 14 year old who holds a loaded gun to his younger sisters head and pulls the trigger, isn't a murderer? I'm not saying a 14 year old is equal to a 30 year old but just because he admitted it doesn't absolve him of anything.
+Paul Spoerry You realize, Paul, this isn't a very big deal…Right? It's a family issue, nothing more.
+Mark Smith it's a crime, even though the statue of limitations ran out on the acts we know about. There could be more victims. If this kid did it to his own sisters than there has to be more girls.
+College Chef Probably not + they reported this to the police back when he was 14.
+Mark Smith I hope you're right
+Paul Spoerry *statute
+Mark Smith You're wrong. They did not report it to the police. They contacted one officer who did nothing with the information. That officer is now serving 56 years in prison for his own disgusting behavior.
+Krista Hopkins Yes, that "soft heart" thing they both kept repeating. I believe, no doubt, that comes from that cult movement "Quiverfull" that they insist they are not a part of. I've been involved in all kinds of religious environments in my early life — many — and never heard the phrase "soft heart." It's part of that cult, I guarantee you. Made me want to throw up, too, is my point, Krista! Maybe not hit them with my car. I'd rather slap them repeatedly every time they said it.
+runawayuniverse Absolutely. He was post-pubescent and was even drawn to a VERY young one of his sisters. Sorry, that is NOT normal. That is evidence of pedophilic tendencies, big time!
+John F. I could get on your team with the slapping. I just find it revolting. The way she couldn't speak without almost being in a trance with her husband was indicative of her being coached on what to say…..both of them. They claim they did the best hey could!?!?! Disgusting. In a nutshell, they sacrificed their daughters for the son. How very biblical indeed. Sickos.
+TMIDiva Well, they make me afraid of where we're headed. But to your point: The correlation you make with the way Josh was raised is an excellent observation, at least in light of your premise. I don't agree, however, with your premise that environment (nurture vs. nature argument) produces a pedophile. I think it has to be hard-wired. I've never read anything like your premise, but I could be the ignorant one; I don't dispute that. You could be right. Very observant commentary, nonetheless.
+Carlo Delano Too late. They already reported you, asshole.
+TMIDiva Well said.
+TMIDiva Well said.
+Paul Spoerry
IN RESPONSE TO THOSE WHO AGREE:
1. Holy crap, the Duggars are messed up people
Every person has messed up before in life, whether it is small, or one that leads to something bigger, such as a crime. We should analyze accordingly on a case by case basis for an objective judgment.
2. They went out of their way to explain how Josh wasn’t a pedophile because he missed the age cutoff (in the legal definition of the word) by a couple of years. So relax, everybody.
The fact is, he isn't a pedophile. Please look up on the diagnosis for pedophile, which is not just based on age itself, but also on their behaviors, and that is different from a child molester. For example. a pedophile may rape a child, but in this case, he was a child molester. So, do not put a pedophile in the same category as a child molester, because you would be profiling Joshua Duggar with a more serious crime than he has committed. Also, he is no longer known for being a child molester, and have changed his ways 12 years ago, but everyone keeps trying to attach a label on him as a child molester when HE IS NOT ANYMORE. He wants to be known for being someone greater than what his past actions dictated, so why is everyone trying to ruin a good person who wants to right his wrongs? Do you really want him to be a child molester forever? He's trying to use his life and contribute to society, and move on after the incident.
3. The Duggars think people are after them in part because they’re Christians.
It is true people are after them. I mean, just look at all the comments listed for this video. I can say almost everyone on here are attacking the Duggar family.
4. They think the bigger story here is how their private police records were exposed to the public, and how the public was never supposed to see them… not how one of their kids touched several of his sisters on their breasts and vaginas.
Obviously, they care more about the effects of the victims, than the criminal. The police system has failed to protect the identity of the victims. However, some people may care more about the crimes committed by Joshua Duggar than how the victims feel, or are affected by this.
5. They think their daughters have been “victimized more” by the press than anything Josh Duggar did to them.
By bringing up past hurts, when the victims have already forgiven Joshua, as well as identifying who the victims are, I believe has affected them more than anything. The family was doing very well before everything became publicized.
6. They think because some of the crimes happened while their girls were sleeping and not fully aware of what was happening, it’s not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be.
People are making it a big deal when the severity of each case is different. Especially for those who have been victims of sexual abuse, and are trying to speak on behalf of the victims. Some may attribute their own personal bias with their own experience or feelings to emphasize the victims' pain, when in fact they are talking about their own pain. By saying that the girls did not know what was happening was to emphasize that they were not affected as much as others have claimed it to be.
7. They minimized what their own daughters went through to defend their son.
If their daughters really went through a lot, the sisters would say so. Even Joshua's sisters are defending him. Jessa Duggard’s interview with Megyn Kelly: “I do want to speak up in his defense against people who are calling him a child molester, or a pedophile or a rapist, as some people are saying. That is so overboard, and a lie, really. I mean people get mad at me for saying that, but I can say this, I am one of the victims.”
8. They pointed out that this has happened in other families, too, as if that makes it okay.
Again, each molestation case is different, but in Joshua Duggar's case, he was a teenager who molested children out of curiosity. He might be inferring that other families have children who have done so because they were curious about human sexuality. This is different from a child molester who may have done it with the intention to hurt others, and have chronically done so for sexual pleasure. Any molestation is not okay, but his intentions were different, and he chose to acknowledge his wrongs by confessing to it, and not doing it again.
9. Michelle Duggar stands by her comments about transgender people being more of a danger to children because “I think that protecting young girls and not allowing young men and men in general to go into a girls’ locker room is just common sense.”
This has nothing to do with Joshua Duggar's case, and is totally an unrelated issue. Do not try to mix in other things to try to twist things around, to either defame or accuse others as hypocrites or liars.
…..and yet, Lena Dunham is somehow a hero in the eyes of the progressive left. ¬_¬
Has Lena Dunham molested young boys? I missed that bit of news.
+Sean Archer
No…………her own sister.
+John F. doesn't matter you retard, i am correct, and better compared with you
Huh. I hadn't read anything about that. Now that I have, I'd still say there's a bit of a difference between the actions of a 14 year old and a 7 year old. Just as there are differences between a 14 and 21 year old. Still not cool, and she likely was beginning to know it was not cool. But I definitely knew 7 year olds who were pulling down their pants on the playground and showing each other their bits, because they were fascinated by them and they were doing new and amazing things. So, I'm not ready to string her up. Just as I'm not stringing up Josh. His parents on the other hand, deserve every bit of shit their getting. And if Dunham's mom knew about any of it, she should have said something too. Maybe she did. At the age of 7, I think it's firmly in herparent's hands how best to deal with it. The Duggars plainly didn't deal with it.
+Sean Archer
Big difference between kids playing the 'I'll show you mine if you show me yours' game, and a kid (even at 7) molesting their own sibling. Just as a child knows the feeling of something being wrong and bad if they are the victim of molestation, she had to know that this was not OK.
What's more appalling, is that she seems to wear this scarlet letter as some sort of badge of honor (and progressives reinforce this attitude). My big problem is that we crucify some and praise others for the same type of behavior.
If you want to cite some sources for progressives helping her make it a badge of honor, I'll read it, but I don't have time to go looking right now. I'm not seeing it. I see people saying it's pretty common for kids that age to do weird shit with their siblings, because they're the closest ones around, and these two slept in the same bed, so that jibes. Nobody I've seen saying it's a great thing and hoo-rah for Lena. But also, I've never heard her talk about herself in anything but self-depricating humor. But, also, I have heard her only marginally more than I've heard a single Duggar speak, having never watched the show, and caught only headlines from them. They seem holier-than-thou in anything I've ever heard, and they're all for judging others, so I have no sympathy for them finding themselves the judged for once. That's why I don't really have a problem with people judging the Duggar parents badly, and (if you want to go with Lena) Dunham's parents not at all. I've never heard word one from Dunham's mom or dad, regarding their righteousness. But the Duggars are all about telling people how to live right with Jesus. So, Eff-em. Let the wolves have them.
+Dustin Hope ha! Good catch… I'll leave it as "statue" that way if anybody reads through and then sees your comment they can giggle as much as I did when I re-read how I'd incorrectly spelled it!
+Doris L.
1 – I didn't say they messed up, I said they ARE messed up.
2 – "why is everyone trying to ruin a good person who wants to right his wrongs" uhhhhhh… somebody who molested his younger sisters, without consent, while they were sleeping is a "good person"?
3 – Yes, people are after them… but not because they're Christian. Frankly, if you want to give Josh the benefit of the doubt then blame the parents. They're obviously fucked up.
4 – If you think the "bigger story" is how their police records got out, versus how little girls were molested you have a seriously messed up moral compass.
5 – "The family was doing very well before everything became publicized." If by very well you mean they had a TV show then sure… but if these things were transpiring in my family, I would under no circumstance call that "doing very well" as a family.
6 – Glad to know that you think it's "less bad" that he did it while they were sleeping. I don't agree.
7 – What world do you live in? Children will defend abusive parents too. Not because it was truly OK but because they can't cope with the trauma.
8 – Oh… clearly he had the good kind of molestation intentions so it's all copacetic.
9 – She's the one who responded about her stand on transgender… I didn't just magically inject that into this thread.
+Sean Archer
Let me clarify first, that I am not a religious believer, nor am I a supporter of the extremely overbearing religious. To me it's just another group of people (just like liberals) who like to tell others how to live their lives.
As far as it being common behavior…..I'm glad I didn't grow up in their family. That's some twisted back woods type stuff. Kids as old as 7 know in the pit of their stomach that something's very wrong if they themselves get molested, so it would stand to reason that they would know it was wrong to do it themselves.
If you want to hear how Lena herself talks about the issue, just read her book. She laid it all out there.
Again, I don't have any fondness for kool-aid drinking holy-rollers, but you need to understand that at some point we have to let someone who has repented for their transgressions and straightened their lives out, escape from that flawed past (although I still believe in the 'he who is without sin casting the first stone' thing).They are not the person they once were, if they have remorse and atoned (which is something that Lena has never done, as evident by her making light of what she did).
As far a Lean's parents not preaching, while it may not be religious preaching, I'll wager that they have done their share of preaching the liberal/progressive gospel, it's just a non-religious angle on the telling others how to act thing (of course, I can't say for sure about her parents because I know nothing about them, it's just a guess, as the apple usually doesn't fall far from the tree).
I have no problem if you want to throw the Duggars to the wolves. I just want to know where the wolves are for Lena.
I tend to think the wolves are always there for everybody, and it's only those who are consistently throwing out the red meat who tend to attract them. I'm sure Lena has her own wolves, as your fangs are surely bared for her. And it seems like she's not been able to shake them since last year. I haven't read the book, and don't really care much to. I saw her first film, pre-'GIRLS', and found it kinda blah. So, I'm no wolf, and while I tend toward the liberal viewpoint, I don't preach much. I like to avoid the wolves myself, mostly.
+Sean Archer
And it would seem that we have some common ground there (except I reside more to the right of the political center, though I still don't care much for religion).
+Sean Archer
BTW, I like your avatar. It made me chuckle.
…but, but I didn't molest anymore, before, again, because Jesus.
+West Kagle To me it's just another group of people (just like conservatives) who like to tell others how to live their lives…. "No you can't marry because my beliefs say so." "You have to let me discriminate, my religion says it's wrong." "You HAVE to have that baby." "No, we will not help provide adequate prenatal care for low-income mothers! Get a job you lazy bum." "Abortion is killing and killing is wrong… MOOOORE capital punishment! MOOOOORE GUNS!" "More money for military and prisons… but let's get rid of the regulation bodies setup to protect American consumers… less government!" ;O)
+Sean Archer Agree with West… it was subtle and I didn't notice it until he pointed it out but that's pretty funny.
+Paul Spoerry Get a job you lazy bum!
no but seriously, marriage was about a pure relationship of male&female virgin which is the reason why her dress is white, so non-virgins and fags should not be allowed to marry, i myself dont wanna marry because marriage is bullshit and nothing special.
+Paul Spoerry
Yeah……and most of that stupid stuff comes from the religious conservatives, which is why, as I've said before, I may be on the right side of the political center line, I really don't like the religious toxins that poison the well that I drink from (it leaves a bad taste in my mouth).
My avatar is a selfie I took with this giant head statue that was on the street as part of some Rah-Rah-Chicago thing a couple years ago. They had giant heads, painted with plants growing out the top in various fun configurations. This one looked like she must be whispering something smutty to me.
+Paul Spoerry
1. I agree that they are messed up, but so is everyone else, including you and me. Nobody is perfect.
2. Nobody is a good person by nature, the adjective is implied to his current state, and not his past actions. I am emphasizing that he is a better person than who he used to be.
3. People are after them, whether they know they are Christian or not, this shows how much hatred, and opinionated bias people have towards this family.
4. It's not how big the story that got out that's the problem, it's the identity of the victims that got out that's the problem.
5. Think about the Duggar family as a whole. They will be under public scrutiny for their whole life. This will affect especially the children whether they will be at school or at work.
6. Every crime has a degree of severity. That's why not all judges give the same punishment for the same crime in court. For example, if a person kills someone, one may be charged with either first or second degree murder.
7. Children may defend abusive parents because they don't know better, but they are old enough now, well past the age of 18.
8. As I have said, crimes must be analyzed objectively on a case by case basis because the degree of severity is different. You should not apply his case of child molestation, the same as other child molesters.
9. Even if she did respond to this transgender issue. It serves no purpose for this topic.
+Doris L. talk for yourself, i am definitely perfect.
+Doris L. "Think about the Duggar family as a whole. They will be under public scrutiny for their whole life. This will affect especially the children whether they will be at school or at work."
a) I try not to think about them at all.
b) Perhaps the Dugger parents should have considered that prior to putting their children on a TV show.
Oh BTW… the counseling her received is complete and utterly bogus: http://gawker.com/the-truth-about-josh-duggars-sham-cult-center-counseli-1709335574
Exactly
+Doris L. When you say that he confessed. This was not a first time offense. It had happened several times, both over their clothes and also under their clothes. They are a Christian family, they taught their children to be God-like. With him doing this more than once is extremely horrible. They also never got PROFESSIONAL help for ANY of their children….going and doing hard work really isn't doing anything. Besides the fact that the places that he was sent to, the people that he talked with were molesters as well. I am a Christian myself. I'm not perfect, neither are the Duggars. Yet they always seem to put off that they're a perfect Christian family. I'm not saying that they straight out say that they're perfect. Also, years later there is a video where Josh Duggar himself was talking about going out to see a movie with his now wife. His sister and one brother went and he said and I quote "It's almost like a double date, we do live in Arkansas after all…laughs" So he was joking about incest on the show itself. Do I agree with the police letting the files be opened? No. That was illegal for them to do that, but the fact that it did get out, and the fact that his parents are saying that he just made a mistake is wrong. Josh should have been held accountable for his actions. For Jessa's father in law to make this statement saying "Many times it is simply a lack of opportunity or fear of consequences that keep us from falling into grievous sin even though our fallen hearts would love to indulge the flesh. We should not be shocked that this occurred in the Duggar's home, we should rather be thankful to God if we have been spared such, and pray that he would keep us and our children from falling." That quote makes me sick. Say it was your son "inappropriately touching" your daughter…your daughter of 5 years of age. How would you react?? How would you go about that?? Being of the age of 14 years or not, he knew what he was doing, he knew that what he was doing was wrong. I suppose that he thought if I cry to my parents about it, then I can continue doing it. So you really do need to think about what this family has done, and what those girls have gone through. They may not have known what was going on, what that inappropriate touching was, but that doesn't mean that they can just brush it off and say it's water under the bridge….then again who am I to judge? Once Josh goes to Heaven, he is going to have to answer to every single thing that he did to his sisters.
+Paul Spoerry You got it, dude.
+Paul Spoerry
1. Calling them messed up shows that you're bigoted against them.
2. Christians, specially those who stand up for the religion's teachings, are indeed attacked and bullied in the modern culture. You need look no further than how Mormons, Quakers, traditional Catholics, et cetera are treated to know this. It is completely acceptable to be prejudicial against these groups.
3. That is a big part of the story. Illegally releasing information that is CONFIDENTIALLY SEALED AS A JUDGE OF THE STATE POINTED OUT, is a breech of the basic rights of both defendant and alleged victims.
4. Opening up wounds that had healed is certainly as bad if not worse than the original offenses.
5. They said no such thing. You're putting words in their mouths. They explained that their daughters told them when they the parents told them what Josh was in trouble for that they didn't even know he had fondled them.
6. No such thing goes on in the interview. They defend both Josh and their daughters.
7. No one should trust transsexual and homosexual people with children when the rates of abuse of children by these groups is much higher than the average you'd see in the general population. Remember that leader of the gay rights group Terry Bean?
+OtakuGamer42013
1. When you say that he confessed. This was not a first time offense. It had happened several times, both over their clothes and also under their clothes. They are a Christian family, they taught their children to be God-like. With him doing this more than once is extremely horrible.
Yes, it DID happened on several occasions, and it is horrible, but he agreed to change knowing it was wrong, and he no longer is a child molester. To judge or discriminate someone based on what they did in the past is wrong.
2. They also never got PROFESSIONAL help for ANY of their children….going and doing hard work really isn't doing anything. Besides the fact that the places that he was sent to, the people that he talked with were molesters as well.
The help Joshua received may not be from a professional licensed counselor, but what matters most is the fact that the help he had received worked. There were no more counts of molestation incidents afterwards, and this proves that he received the help he needed. As far as I see it, the parents provided the counseling the children needed, and felt it was enough for the daughters since most of them were unaware of what happened, and do not seem to be psychologically affected by it. However, Joshua continued these wrongful actions, and the parents felt that they could no longer help their child, and so they sent him elsewhere for treatment. Moreover, they did not know that the people they associated with for help were related to sexual abuse until much later.
3. I am a Christian myself. I'm not perfect, neither are the Duggars. Yet they always seem to put off that they're a perfect Christian family. I'm not saying that they straight out say that they're perfect.
As you have said, they never say that they are the perfect Christian family. They may want to be a good model for other Christian families to follow by showing their best, or it's just the way the television or media wants to portray this family as. We should not always believe what is presented to us is perfect in anyway, just as models on magazine covers are photoshopped all the time. These things are just portrayed perfectly to us, but in reality, they are not perfect. It's all a matter of perception, and understanding reality.
4. Also, years later there is a video where Josh Duggar himself was talking about going out to see a movie with his now wife. His sister and one brother went and he said and I quote "It's almost like a double date, we do live in Arkansas after all…laughs" So he was joking about incest on the show itself.
I saw the short version of the video as well, but it's not enough to convince me that it's reliable. Right after he says double date, the camera CUTS off. So what was said in between? How do I know if someone didn't intentionally edit the video so it would be interpreted as something else? People can take things out of context, just so it can distort its original meaning to mean something else. I would like to see the full video if you have it.
5. Do I agree with the police letting the files be opened? No. That was illegal for them to do that, but the fact that it did get out, and the fact that his parents are saying that he just made a mistake is wrong. Josh should have been held accountable for his actions. Say it was your son "inappropriately touching" your daughter…your daughter of 5 years of age. How would you react?? How would you go about that?? Being of the age of 14 years or not, he knew what he was doing, he knew that what he was doing was wrong. I suppose that he thought if I cry to my parents about it, then I can continue doing it.
Whether Joshua Duggar should be liable for legal punishment may different from each person's opinion. Each child molestation case is different, and I will be analyzing specifically this case from my own perspective. I'm not a legal or criminal expert, but I personally believe that since most of the victims were within his own home, I would think it is more of a family problem. For me, if it was my own son, I might do just as what Jim and Michelle did. I would be shocked at my son's behavior, and fear for my daughters' safety. I will teach them what is right and wrong touching, and enforce rules to protect them. If that doesn't work, then getting outside counseling would be the next option. I would not want to go to the police first, if I believe I can solve this family problem myself. If my son have changed his ways after the counseling he received, I would see no point in reporting it to the police. However, if he continued his actions, I would no longer allow him to live in my home. If he knows he needs help and wants to change, I would send him away to get additional professional counseling. If he is not remorseful and enjoys it, then I will report it to the police. Again, this is what I would do if the victims were from my own home. However, it's a different story if it involves a victim outside the family. In Joshua Duggar's case, one of his victims was outside his family, a daughter of a family friend who was babysitting for the Duggars. In this situation, I would think it's important to speak to both the victim and the parents first, to tell them what my son did, and ask whether they wanted to pursue legal action. If they did, I would then proceed to report it to the police. For Duggar's case, I do not really know the story for the outside victim, but coming from my own personal view, that if I was the victim, I would probably have forgiven the victim if he apologized to me. I can say this, because this is a true story, and has happened to me when I was in middle school. I was around the age of 13, there was one incident in my computer class where a boy touched my thigh, and another incident in my math class where a boy lightly grabbed my breast. I am an adult now, and what do I think looking back? I just think they didn't know any better, got some problem, but I don't think I would have wanted them to receive legal punishment. That is unless, they continued their actions, then that would be a problem requiring law enforcement. However, If the offender has apologized, and has stopped doing it, then yes, I would forgive him. So, whether this victim outside the family wanted to pursue legal action or not depends on the victim and parents.
6.For Jessa's father in law to make this statement saying "Many times it is simply a lack of opportunity or fear of consequences that keep us from falling into grievous sin even though our fallen hearts would love to indulge the flesh. We should not be shocked that this occurred in the Duggar's home, we should rather be thankful to God if we have been spared such, and pray that he would keep us and our children from falling." That quote makes me sick.
Maybe you are interpreting this statement wrong. In my understanding, he is simply saying that all of us have the ability to sin, giving the evil nature of our own hearts. We could all be in the same situation as Joshua, falling into child molestation, robbery, murder, rape, or any other grievous crime. However, we are spared from such sins due to "a lack of opportunity" or "fear of consequences." The first, lack of opportunities, probably means that there were not set before us opportunities to easily commit crimes. In this case, Joshua had many sisters, females, or children in his own home, that gave him the opportunity to advantage of them while they were sleeping. Another example aside from this case could be how I was born. If I was born from a dysfunctional family in a bad neighborhood, I might have the opportunity to join a gang, and in the process get into drugs, violence, and maybe even murder. The second, probably implies that we are kept from committing serious crimes out of fear from the consequences of the law, so we choose not to do it. For example, I may want to murder someone, but knowing the legal punishment for it, I would rather not do it because I do not want to end up in jail for so many years. All in all, he is saying that we all have the ability to commit heinous crimes and yet we have been spared from doing so, this is what we should be grateful for, for not hurting others.
7. So you really do need to think about what this family has done, and what those girls have gone through. They may not have known what was going on, what that inappropriate touching was, but that doesn't mean that they can just brush it off and say it's water under the bridge….then again who am I to judge? Once Josh goes to Heaven, he is going to have to answer to every single thing that he did to his sisters.
Who are we to judge what the victims went through when we aren't even the victims ourselves? Why are we trying to stand up for the victims, by blaming the brother and the parents when the victims themselves are not complaining? The sisters are in fact defending their own family against the public criticism. The sisters were the victims, and they have already forgiven him. They want to move on, and be a happy family. However, with the public eye and everyone's noses in their businesses, and the hatred towards their family, this just brings more hurt to the sisters because many people are accusing their own brother and parents, whom they love a lot and have forgiven. As far as I see it, everyone else is bringing more pain to the victims, than what her brother did.
+OtakuGamer42013
Listen……a friendly word of advice. If you are going to rant and ramble on for that many lines, you might want to break it up with a paragraph indentation here and there.
……just sayin'